Letter from Denmark: National Consciousness

Another great article from Peter Young of IndyScot News in Denmark. Enjoy!

Letter from Denmark: National Consciousness

There are two ways to see the Danish parliament. The first is a standard 45-minute guided walk about. The second is the longer ‘Kunstomvisning’, or art tour. I suggested to my wife that she give up her sacred Saturday morning downtime to join me. Unexpectedly, she agreed.

There’s track work between the Eastbridge (Østerbro) Station and Copenhagen Central. In the old days (three years ago) this meant a stop-start bus journey or a brisk hike into the town centre. Today, the new subway offers a fast and easy alternative to get us into Slotsholmen and the seat of government.

We emerge from the subterranean depths of the brand new ‘Gammel Strand’ Metro station. In front of us is a large bronze statue of a man on a horse. It’s the 12th-century warrior-bishop, Absalon, said to be the founder of Copenhagen. Saint Mungo was never like this. It’s more ‘Absalon Ya Bass’ than ‘Dear Green Place’. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a statue of the founder of Glasgow, anywhere. Is there one?

Across the road, Christiansborg, the ‘castle of the realm’, looms under low cloud. It stands on the site of Absalon’s original castle from the year 1197.

After the usual security checks, we head up a grand staircase. “The marble you see is from Greenland,” our guidedeclares, “and there’s basalt from the Faroe Islands, with granite from Bornholm.”

The idea, apparently, was to embed stone from all parts of the historic Danish commonwealth (Rigsfællesskabet) in the parliament.

Upstairs on the first floor, all four versions of the nation’s Constitution are on show, the first of them from 1849. There’s also a version of ‘Jyske Lov’, the oldest codified laws dating back to 12th century Jutland.

The art is everywhere. On the walls of the broad corridors, and in the various meeting rooms, most of them very large. As I’d hoped, the art on show links to historical time periods, and not least to political personalities.

Two paintings in particular catch my eye – they are portraits of two former prime ministers. For me, they sum up the political change in Denmark over the past decades.

One of them is of Anker Jørgensen, Social Democratic PM in the 1970s and 1980s. The other is of Anders Fogh Rasmussen, of the right-leaning Venstre party and PM between 2001-09 (after which he became NATO Secretary General).

A contemporary of Olof Palme, Jørgensen was an old style Social Democrat, in other words, a genuine socialist. He lived most of his life in a modest home in a ‘working class’ area on Copenhagen’s south side. In office, he introduced progressive policies and a range of new benefits. He was also an honorary president of the Socialist International.

Rasmussen’s portrait is, however, an outlier among the PM paintings. To his credit, he chose a female artist. Initially, she declined. She was at the other end of the political spectrum to the former right-wing PM. He eventually persuaded her to take the commission.

The result is probably the most controversial PM portrait of them all. In it, Rasmussen is staring at us. There’s a NATO star in the sky and a Hercules aircraft of the Danish Air Force.

Denmark became involved in two US-led wars during his tenure. The painting has a pop art look. Rasmussen himself is described as looking like a ‘leather-skinned Schwarzenegger’.

If Anker Jørgensen was a contemporary of Palme, Rasmussen is very much a Danish clone of Sweden’s Carl Bildt – one of the non-entities who came to power in Stockholm after the Palme assassination. Today, Bildt comes across as a nordic neocon.

One of the most interesting rooms is that used by the foreign relations committee. Our guide points out the double doors and the curfew on personal electronic devices during meetings. The important issues of state discussed here are strictly confidential.

We finish off in the chamber where MPs gather for business. There’s no one here today, though, other than ghosts of times past. After a fast-paced 90 minute tour of parliament you’re in no doubt about Danish national identity. 

This is an ancient kingdom. Danes elevated the status of their mither tongue above that of foreign languages centuries ago. The suggestion that it is merely ‘currupt German’, or a dialect, is rejected. Unlike the Scots language, Danish flourishes today.

This wee European state of 5.7 million people has existed in various forms for more than 1,000 years. It is a parallel nation to Scotland, the difference being that a large number of we Scots accept, unquestioningly, the negation of our national sovereignty, the ridicule and degradation of our language, and the hegemony of our exploitative southern neighbour. All this based on a dodgy international treaty, which is used to justify the ongoing military occupation of, and theft of resources from, our national territory.

Tour over, we’re back outside again. The drizzle is more intense. I suggest we head for a cafe over on Gammel Strand by the Metro station. Neither of us managed breakfast before our early start.

Inside ‘Cafe Diamanten’ there’s a fabulous scent of something frying, which turns out to be a club sandwich. It’s whisked past us and outside to one of the hardy patrons sitting under the canvas cafe marquee.

The cappuccino is hot and there’s a fresh croissant for my fellow culture vulture. Gammel Strand is actually one of Copenhagen’s older streets. It’s located by the canal, just across from the small island or ‘holm’ on which the government buildings are situated. There was once a bustling fish market here. In previous times, small fishing boats from the Sound would sail right into the centre of town with their catch. Today, the only boats coming and going here are the Canal Tours for tourists.

Danes are extremely well informed about their national story. And this past week one of the nation’s great chroniclers was laid to rest. Lise Nørgaard was a pioneering female journalist and later the author of Matador – a TV series produced in the 1970s. The series, covers the period between 1932 to 1948, and has become a classic.

Born a few months before the October Revolution in 1917, Nørgaard grew up into adulthood in the era she later wrote about. She was a strong woman, a purposeful, straight-talking writer — and not least a feminist. 

At an age if 105 she was still curious and discussed events in Ukraine as easily as the latest machinations at Christiansborg. I was unaware that’s she’d spent her final years in an old folks home by the sea, just a few kilometres from us. A youthful 105-year-old, she was a national treasure to the last. Her description of Denmark and ‘Danishness’, during the tumultuous Thirties and Forties, has increased the national consciousness of an entire generation.

I sometimes wonder what a Scottish ‘Matador’ would have been like, and its effect on the national psyche. After all, there’s probably not an adult Dane who has not seen, or is at least aware of, Matador.

As Dr Alf Baird wrote in his poem published the other day: ‘National consciousness isnae nationalism.’

This is probably why I’ve remained a long-term exile. Danes know who they are. They feel comfortable in their own skin. Yes, they suffer from small nation syndrome, but there is not a ‘Danish Cringe’. There’s something hugely appealing about a small country that doesn’t suffer from a permanent identity crisis, and that has enough patriotic self-belief to assert itself – even against its far larger southern neighbour.

Denmark accepted me as one of its own. Yet, it’s never allowed we incomers to vote in referendums or take part in key constitutional decisions. And why should it?

I’ve always thought it rather arrogant and entitled to move to another country and expect full citizenship rights after a brief stay. If you move to Denmark tomorrow, you’ll get to vote in council elections. And to be fair, those do affect your daily life locally.

But to take part in parliamentary elections – or referendums – you’ll need citizenship. That demands seven years residency and then a lengthy process, including proof of language skills and a citizenship test. This is entirely normal. Scotland is the outlier.

A post-2014 #Yes would probably have seen a homecoming of many exiles. But instead of the #Yes decision of 52% of native Scots being validated, the restoration of our national independence was sacrificed for temporary residents, transient students, second home owners, and folk who’ve come to Scotland for many valid reasons, but with no knowledge of our historic claim to sovereignty or nationhood.

A great number of the 52% Yes voters weren’t political. They were Scots who had never voted before, and probably haven’t since. Their hope of a better Scotland crushed.

In one sense, the entire premise of the 2014 referendum franchise was based on an innate disbelief in the validity of our national identity as ‘a people’, as defined by the United Nations.

Did England give EU citizens a vote on Brexit? No, it didn’t. But suggest excluding recent English incomers from an indyref vote and you’re branded a blood and soil nationalist.

No other country on Earth allows incomers to determine its constitutional status. Yet, Scotland is held to a higher standard and expected to accommodate everyone and anyone in its franchise. Then there were the 800,000 postal votes that both John McTernan and Ruth Davidson knew were ‘strongly’ pro-Union. With no exit polls and all ballots destroyed, we’re left with a lingering sense of unease.

No, national consciousness is not blood and soil nationalism. It is who we are. National identity is how every other country defines itself.

Of course, as a nation, we may have reached the point where we have so little respect for, and belief in, our own culture and national heritage that we are happy to be subsumed as a region of greater England. We don’t place much value on ourselves, if we give anyone who arrives here, an instant right to vote on the constitutional future of our 1,000-year-old nation.

And if we claim to be civic nationalists, why do we insist that people who come to Scotland must be Scots? They’re not. Even severe cultural appropriation, won’t turn any of we exile Scots into Americans, Danes, French, Germans, or whatever. We are who we are.

Some of we Scots entertain a romantic notion that anyone who arrives in Scotland magically becomes Scottish. That’s no more true than a man can become a woman.

Civic nationalIsm shouldn’t be about forcing others to be Scottish. Surely it’s about accepting other cultures into our society – without sacrificing our national identity or democratic safeguards to accommodate those who choose to move here?

The same is true of we exiles in the Scottish diaspora. We are in, but not of, our adopted homelands.

It takes a very long time for first generation immigrants to adapt and integrate. In reality, it’s the second generation, those born in, or who arrive as children in their parents’ adopted homeland, who first identify with that nation. Ma ain bairns now identify as Danes. That makes me rather proud, really. Still, it warms my heart that my daughter wants to bring her boyfriend over on Burns Night.

If the Yes vote of native Scots had been the deciding factor in 2014 – as it should have been – I expect there would have been at least three Scottish passport holders under my roof today. Unfortunately, the ridiculous franchise agreed upon, allowed defeat to be snatched from the jaws of victory.

Parallel nations, and close North Sea neighbours, Scotland and Denmark may be. But sometimes, when it comes to national consciousness, the water between us seems as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.


I know I write this after each article from Peter but his writing always deserve praise because he uses great skill in the delivery of his story and message. It is always worth reading as his observations display such common sense and worth. I think it comes from the confidence and experience that he has found in Denmark. A proud, Independent, country comfortable in the World and determined to defend its citizens best interests at all times. I have no doubt Scotland could be the same. First though we need the powers to make those decisions ourself which I think is the crux of what Peter is getting at here in this article.

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41 thoughts on “Letter from Denmark: National Consciousness

    1. It’s wonderful and as you read, you get a sense of that Danish ‘national consciousness’ you describe. That makes it all the more valuable when you come to compare Scotland’s national consciousness and the relentless and sustained assaults on its legitimacy and worth. Thank you.

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      1. We need to expand this into the consciousness of Scotland. Salvo and there’s a lot to be said in regards to reaching the hearts and minds of people using our energy. Notice the negativity well there’s always a counter to that and it’s positivity.

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  1. I enjoy Peter’s articles because at the very start it may be a little difficult to see the relevance to Scotland and its dire situation today. However, as the articles progress, the relevance becomes very clear until they build to a terrific climax that cannot be disputed.

    Looking forward to many more.

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  2. I agree with restricting the franchise to natives and those who have lived continuously in Scotland for a substantial period of time e.g. 10 years. Obviously we can’t restrict voting by citizenship because we aren’t independent – the irony! Not because I’m a blood and soil nationalist, but because countries don’t allow non citizens or short term residents to vote on matter of national importance.

    The New Scots thing has been distorted imho. It should mean and I think used to mean that we don’t regard incomers as “nasty foreigners that aren’t welcome”. Now it seems to mean that everyone who lives in Scotland is Scottish. But as Peter states, it really doesn’t work that way. Approximately 10% of Scotland’s population is English. Not 10% of the non Scots, but 10% of the total. I think it’s asking a lot of them to vote for something that disadvantages England or that personally might inconvenience them. Fair enough live here long enough you get a vote on constitution (unless the UN steps in and sets the franchise which like New Caledonia would exclude them.). We have a double whammy – England is who we have the Treaty with and they are the biggest non Scots group.

    That said, it’s all moot anyway. It’s clear from the latest SNP decision re de facto/not de facto referendums, that indy is as far away as it has ever been…

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    1. Also the SNP not protesting about the imposition of ‘Free Ports’ on Scotland, which are a a scam, as they are just an opportunity for money laundering, tax evasion and restictions of workers’ rights.
      Even if Westminster took no notice of the protest, it would set a marker. They are very ready to criticise the fact that Westminster might over-rule them on the GRR Lagislation, but are silent on this!

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    2. When my wife and I moved north 23 years ago (we were born just south of the border) the hope of an independant Scotland was one of the main drivers, I joined the SNP and for years was a cash donor. In our small community I have two friends of German birth both are pro independance. Please don’t write off all incomers. No longer an SNP member as I don’t believe they are serious about independance.

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      1. Nobody is writing anyone off. What we are suggesting is that our franchise reflects the same safeguards as every other nation in Europe. It is Scotland that is the outlier here.

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      2. Not only am I not writing you off, I said as a long term resident I believe you should have the vote. I said so in my very first sentence –

        “I agree with restricting the franchise to natives and those who have lived continuously in Scotland for a substantial period of time e.g. 10 years. ”

        23 is longer than 10 after all. That said, it’s more generous than many countries on constitutional matters where only citizens can vote. Of course there are no Scottish citizens so we couldn’t currently use that even if we wanted to. If your 2 German friends have lived here for over 10 years, again my “proposal” allows them to vote.

        However I’m not in charge and there won’t be a referendum anyway so my opinion is moot.

        If the next Westminster election is used as a “de facto” referendum as the nuSNP appear to want, then your German friends won’t have a vote anyway due to the franchise, though you and your wife will.


  3. Another excellent article which makes me, once again, realise what fools we Scots are!

    The Artist who did the painting of Rasmussen was obviously of a very different political leaning but I have to give credit to Rasmussen for accepting the work….it is a good example of accepting criticism. How many UK politicians would have enabled such a work to be commissioned? Never mind to hang forever in Parliament.

    I wonder if Sturgeon will commission a painting of a man in a dress holding a large carrot?

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  4. I really enjoy Peters posts, it is like reading a wee mini-series off history.. It seems every small country around us & beyond is a far happier country & more MODERN country that Scotland. Yet Scots gave so much to the world, there was a time not so long ago when our education system was the best in the world. While all these small countries grow & flourish I see Scotland going back in time..

    Instead of our education getting better & better it is almost a joke these days, Wasn’t it a Scot that gave the world Tarmac, yet we have the worst roads of any country I have ever visited, just a few days ago, my brother-in-law paid £1200 for damage caused by POTHOLES..

    Paths are a dangerous place for mums pushing pushchairs or elderly people with shaky legs or a bit of balance problems..

    Our Justice system is so corrupt, I remember when we would see riots in the USA or going on down South and looking at the brutality dished out by the police, & how here we had police that you actually trusted & liked.. Now they hunt down women for laying ribbons that upset hairy muscled tattooed men.. You really could not make this up…

    Scots law was also among the fairrest & more honest, and delivered with compassion when need be…Judges used to really go by the book, today we have seen a court send a man to Prison for telling the truth, NOT for committing the crime the judge decided he had done.., NO a so called REAL journalist did that.

    But because he covered the whole case & included witnesses from the defences side, he was jailed,
    Not one part of the media in Scotland did that. THAT is what happens in Scotland today..Go against a certain FM and her CULT & the full force of the corrupted judicial system comes down on you..

    Nothing in Scotland works for the benefit of Scotland, it works for the benefit of LONDON..
    All of these institutions have been so corrupted parents should really fear for the safety of their children.. We ARE living in in George Orwells 1884 & Animal Farm days.. Albeit just at the start of it, but if we do not do something soon, then we will never be able to do anything at all..

    I am too old now, but if I weren’t I would get out of this country in a heartbeat.. It is such a depressing place to live..

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  5. Thanks for giving us another wee Sunday morning view into how you think and feel as well as a wee bit of education about your adopted country. I totally agree with you.

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  6. Some of we Scots entertain a romantic notion that anyone who arrives in Scotland magically becomes “Scottish.”

    My wife has lived in Scotland for 25 years. Prior to that she lived in England for 28 years.

    She was born and brought up in the Republic of Ireland to Irish parents and a long Irish heritage. She considers herself Irish and always will do.

    She would not object to not having a vote on national or constitutional matters as she believes that is fair given her status as an Irish citizen even though a long term resident if Scotland. (I would her to have the vote because she’s in favour of Independence but that’s another matter).

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  7. Yet another great article by Peter and 100% spot on with his take on the voting system. It is a disgrace that non Scot’s should have a say in the constitutional affairs of our country, but just another in the range of hazards put in the way of independence by Nicola Sturgeon

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  8. Wonderfully observed and honestly told; both Denmark and Scotland. With its clarity of distance, Pete’s work is worthy of the highest possible credibility in its knowing authenticity. Did I mention: finely-composed, too?

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  9. @benmadogan just posted it due to the fact that like we are having a people’s movement if you like, it seems that other people are too. I can’t respond in regards to the flag but there’s a lot of stories around the stone and it’s said that it’s the stone of destiny which he is speaking about that’s missing rather than the one there that he says isn’t it and just called such for tourists.

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    1. Apparently it was shared or loaned between the two countries just like a lot of our myths and such are but presented differently to belong to either one or the other.


  10. Take a look at the Poem ”London’ by William Blake. This is not a new idea. perhaps he was more off a visionary than we give him credit for! from Poems of Innocence and Experience. 1792

    I wander through each chart’er’d street
    Near where the chater’d Thames does flow
    And mark in ev’ey face I meet
    Marks of weakness, marks of woe

    In every cry of every Man
    In every infant;s cry of fear
    In every voice, inevery ban
    the mind-forg’d manacles I hear:

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  11. Any vote on independence should only be for the indigenous population. Westminster want to gerrymander any future vote with an open to all franchise especially the 1.2 million English settlers. Remember in 2014 if we had a constitutional voting franchise we would have been free with 52% of the vote. That is why the UK version that we voted against independence is a lie. Currently the polls are showing 56% of the vote in favour of independence. If a UN voting franchise was implemented this would go even more as these polls are open to everyone. Is that not why the SNP dont campaign anymore they dont want the embrasment of a sky high figures wanting out of this shit Union. Sturgeons sham independence party would be fould out then wouldn’t it.
    Dissolve the Union.

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  12. As a long time friend of Denmark I always enjoy Peter’s articles on Danish life and their relevance for Scotland,however I don’t always agree with him and in particular I don’t agree with his argument about excluding everyone not born in Scotland from voting on the future of Scotland.
    I say this as a friend of Denmark but also as a “returned” Scot who has spent more time in England than Scotland and who has a partner who was born in England but has spent more time in Scotland than me. Should she be denied the right to vote in an independence referendum ( she is in favour of independence) and if not her then when do we apply the “ Scottishness” rule 5 years 10 ? It may not be blood nationalism but it is I’m afraid still a divisive move I believe that we should be able to convince everyone who lives in Scotland and has a right to vote in the Scottish Parliament elections should have the right to vote on the future of Scotland.
    Like Peter I was married to a Dane I’ve met Anker Jorgensen and a few other Danish leaders I’ve also the prime minister in Borgen ! I’ve been visiting Denmark for more than 50 years and I’m very fond of the country and it’s people but it’s not perfect. There is a certain insularity about Danes which stems from their belief that it is the best little country in the world. My Danish wife who spent much of her life in Brussels would encapsulate this in her judgement about some Danes who were somewhat insular with the phrase “ they are very Danish”! This insularity allows the rise of racist political parties in Denmark who with Denmark’s very proportional democracy allows them to have a major influence on Danish politics. Borgen the tv series about Danish political life which is far superior to anything on Scottish or indeed British tv explains this very well. This has led to some very restrictive indeed racist legislation on immigration and nationality.
    I’m very critical of the SNP on many issues but I agree with their attitude to people coming to live and work in Scotland to treat them as equals and regard them as new Scots” I want us to create a Scotland that is open and internationalist not narrow restrictive and a belief that being “ Scottish” is superior to everyone else it’s not just as being “ Danish” is not superior to every other country. We should of course be aware of our history the good and the bad we should be open to learning from each other and we have much to learn from Denmark as they do from us. But we should not retreat into a “ kailyaird” narrow restrictive view of what and who is Scottish! After all if we can’t convince the majority of the people who live in Scotland to vote for independence can we truly be ready for independence?

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    1. Do you think some of the ‘insular’ incomers would be persuaded to vote for Independence or do you think their insularity might make them cling to their ‘mither country’?

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    2. Likewise my wife is Irish, is in favour of Independence and voted YES in 2014 (see prior comment).

      New Caledonia did in 2018, 2020 and 2021. They used a special electoral franchise (LESC) which included 6 criteria, only one of which had to be met in order to be registered to vote. The 3rd of these qualifying criteria stated a requirement for

      “Residence in New Caledonia for a continuous period of 20 years”.

      In total 17.1% of voters on the general voting list were excluded (by one or all of the aforementioned criteria).

      In the even New Caledonia voted NO in any case.

      (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_Caledonian_independence_referendum for confirmation of these details).

      These criteria could be used as a starting point for establishing a franchise for deciding constitutional matters and I believe that there are UN guidelines that could be sought in order to modify and adapt.

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    3. I never suggested anyone not born in Scotland should be denied a vote. Even the much-maligned Danes don’t do that 🙂 In the absence of citizenship we need to improvise. As has been suggested, long-term residence (not long-term second home ownership) is a good guide, also internationally. Personally, I believe any future indyref franchise should be guided by the same principles used by the United Nations. Otherwise we risk a repeat farce of 2014 where the local council franchise was used and a majority of native Scots were denied what they voted for by folk who, in many cases, only had tenuous ties to Scotland.

      There has been, and continues to be, a huge stream of immigrants from England into Scotland, especially post-Brexit. These folk may never be convinced to vote to end a Union that hugely benefits their country to the detriment of ours. Handing a virtual veto on Scottish independence to people from the country that has robbed and oppressed us for centuries is, at best, unwise. It’s not as though English folk are going to be turfed out post independence! Of course, the tax on second homes and on land owned by absent landlords might have an effect on some. But our resident English pals have nothing to fear from independence.

      I don’t recognise your portrayal of Danes as considering themselves superior to every other country. Having national self-esteem isn’t the same as national conceit. Denmark is a very cosmopolitan place in 2023. You often hear more English spoken in Copenhagen than Danish. Citizens from other EU nations are everywhere. The racism that has arisen here in recent times is primarily anti-muslim. It’s been fuelled by the trans-Atlantic war on terror that was used to demonise muslims everywhere. Now that we’ve gone back to the future with Russia as the nation to be demonised, muslims hardly make the headlines. We’re all being played.

      Danes have also been played, and they’re now on board with rampant Russophobia and anti-Russian racism, usually out of a sense of loyalty to the anglo-saxon world, which they view with great admiration. The occupation years and the liberation are not forgotten. A Danish ‘wheesht for NATO’ is apparent in the Nordstream sabotage. A very dangerous precedent.

      The greatest danger faced by Denmark is of being subsumed by the EU and NATO who move ever closer into one entity. Hard to believe there were violent anti-EU riots in 1993 over the 2nd Maastricht vote and the Edinburgh Agreement. But Europhile political classes have pushed more EU on Danes via the back door. At the same time they’ve kept their own rich retirement options open as MEPs in Brussels.

      My wife isn’t Danish, btw. She’s from another Nordic country. As you know the Nordics have fantastic co-operation via the Nordic Council. Basically, you have all citizenship rights without being a citizen. None of them, though, allow voting in parliamentary elections or in referendums. Now from that, we can either conclude that the Nordic Council is a blood & soil nationalist organisation, or it’s one that upholds the rights and democratic protections necessary for small nations which are vulnerable to national population shifts in the real world.

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      1. Peter I was in Copenhagen last May staying with one of my old MEP colleagues and she told me the cases she was fighting ,asylum seekers who have been in Denmark for years being deported, immigrants who have lived in parts of Copenhagen being forced to move against their will to prevent “ ghettos” being created. Danes who told me these immigrants must agree to be more Danish, to dress like Danes to speak like Danes these are all the marks of racism.
        As to Nordic citizens having all “ citizenship rights but without the right to vote”! That sounds like a contradiction in terms the right to vote is a basic human right and you can’t have a democratic society which denies a quarter of the population the right to vote.


    4. You dont get it do you. The reason for a constitutional franchise which is the recognised by the UN internationally means that the colonial masters or foreigners do not have the ability to subvert or influence your democracy . In other words keeping you locked into a coercive Union. (After a successful yes vote all foreign citizens including English settlers can be offered citizenship in our country). Do not be sold the pig in a poke franchise that would stop this under the guise of fairness. We all know English people who support independence but it is grossly naive to think 1.2 millions loyalty is with anything other than their mother country. Please note that you can only offer citizenship when you have a independent country . (Anybody born in Scotland and who lives here currently should be the only ones to get a vote on independence. )
      Unionists want you to play their colonial game the UN recognises this and as part to the Decolonisation process the colonisers do not get a vote plus the media is monitored by the UN to ensure impartiality. Why do you think the SNP have never applied for this process they know that an open voting franchise stopped us getting independence in 2014. Also please consider why the delayed in the Scottish census and the results of migration from other parts of the UK which is currently not know, Approximately 60k settlers come to Scotland every year ,we will soon be a minority in our own country soon, Sturgeon does not want you to know this.
      Those who want a open franchise dont want no change . There is no racism in a constitutional voting franchise the racism is apparent when the colonial power dictates the franchise denying the indigenous populations right to self determination (This is imperialism and racism in action ) The Westminster government used a constitutional voting franchise for Brexit stopping Europeans voting. After the 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Westminster government brought in EVIL English votes for English laws. Preventing Scottish MPs voting in parliament. Again I stress that all foreigners can be offered citizenship after a successful yes vote, keep that in mind.

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      1. What about those not born here (dad in UK forces) been here since I was 18 months old. Both folks Scots.

        Got full UK citizenship, passport etc, under your proposals I wouldn’t get a vote, but a 2nd generation immigrant would?

        PS I’m just being pedantic.


      2. My half sister is English she would vote or Scottish independence but realises the voting franchise is rigged in favour of the Union( being open to all sundry ). She would embraces the fact that a constitutional voting franchise would get us independence even if she had to relinquish her voting rights .She knows she would get her citizenship after a successful yes vote ,your father is no different and thereafter he could vote on constitutional matters. Assuming he wanted citizenship. So yes I agree you are being pedantic.

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    5. “After all if we can’t convince the majority of the people who live in Scotland to vote for independence can we truly be ready for independence?”

      Hugh, have you never heard of ‘colonial assimilation’, or the ‘colonial mindset’, or ‘internalised racism’, or ‘appropriated racial oppression’, or ‘the Scottish cultural cringe’, and the effects of such ‘psychological conditions’ on an oppressed people, and their behaviour? Do you know the symptoms (of colonialism)? Or the cure (i.e. liberation)?

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  13. Duncanio:
    Very interesting. That 3rd qualifying criteria would most likely have seen us all with Scottish passports today, trading via EFTA or EU, and with the huge revenues from our natural resources landing in Edinburgh. After 9 years the Clyde would probably have been nuke-free annaw. That 52% #Yes was the de facto vote to end the Union – by those who were entitled to end it. The more we learn of Sturgeon’s role in 2014 the worse it looks for her, just when we thought it couldn’t!

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  14. With the proposed change in the voting franchise that would exclude the EU citizens if I read it correctly. My new English neighbours say they are yes voters and that was one of the reasons for moving North of the wall but say they are comfortable about being excluded as long as we Scots get on and get the job done. Their adopted little girl is at nursery school and is already getting a few words of Gaelic as they have signed her up for the Gaelic medium when she starts primary school. I wish I had a second language as it could be a help conversing with our Ukrainian neighbours but then I would be denied the fun involved in a conversation with Igor in sign language and all the laughs along the way. I recently listened to a talk about the history of Scottish coastal whaling and Connor draws attention to the Norwegian aspect and how it mirrors what is happening in salmon farming on the West coast. In both cases restrictions in their homeland prompted the Norwegians to export their expertise with consequences for the unfortunate whales and in the case of salmon farming our marine environment. Having all but wiped out the Northern right whale in their own waters the Norwegians were delighted to find them in reasonable numbers inside St Kilda and proceeded to wipe them out there as well . The right whale was favoured target as a slow swimmer, very fat so a high oil yield and did not sink when killed. The right whale is functionally extinct in our waters these days and I was surprised to see the number of blue whales killed West of St Kilda another species gone from our waters. While looking to the future it is always worth a squint at the past to avoid repeating mistakes.

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  15. Dont be fooled by those who want the current council voting franchise to say. 14k English troops coming up for a referendum the number stationed here will be increased just like it was the last time. ,35k Englsh students at colleges and Universities. 30k English Offshore oil workers. 1.2 million settlers with in excess of 60k arriving every year ( all getting a vote on our right for self determination), this is how the vote is rigged by the Unionists and this is what you are up against. Wales vote against Brexit but the English settlers voted for it enabling the Tories to claim Wales voted for Brexit. Proffersor Dorling analysis of Brexit voting patterns, oxford university. In 2014 the indigenous population of Scotland voted Yes by 52.7%. English settlers voted No by 72.1% other settlers voted No by 57.1% The figure are available from the Edinburgh university analysis on the 2014 Referendum. No other country lets foreign citizens vote on constitutional issues including the UK, but Scotland has an open franchise this needs tackling, faced up to and dealt with . We need to get the international community and UN involved through the recognised Decolonisation process. Sturgeon deliberately used covid as an excuse to delay the Scottish Census , still the results have not been released. She knows that people will hit the roof when they see the level of migration from England into Scotland. By the time we find out the figures she have her nice we job lined up and disappear into a golden sunset ,her reward from our grateful colonial masters. We will then be a minority in our own country.

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  16. Hugh,
    There’s plenty of faults to be found with Denmark, trying solve the ghetto problem is not one of them. Danes have seen what’s going on in Sweden and are attempting to avoid that in the long term.

    People are deported from every country for a variety of reasons. Involvement in crime beimg one of them. UK passport holders have been deported, too. Biggest problem is not deportations, it’s the processing time for refugees, asylum seekers, and immigrants. It’s unacceptably long, cruel and distressing for those stuck in the system. Is that a uniquely Danish issue? I don’t think so.

    Perhaps ask all your former MEP collegues which of their countries allow non-citizens, short-term or transient residents, a vote on constitutional affairs. My guess is, the number is close to zero. Are their claims to democracy in that case hollow? Or is it just Denmark that is the outlier?

    “Danes who told me these immigrants must agree to be more Danish, to dress like Danes to speak like Danes…” We can all quote people who’ve said outrageous things. It doesn’t mean they’re representative of the population as a whole, or that they’ve even expressed themselves well in another language than their own. Promoting better integration can always be described in a way to suit a particular bias.

    I’d be wary of branding a nation racist on the basis of anecdotal evidence. The Danish People’s Party gained great popularity on the wave of islamophobia generated by the UK-US war on terror. The electorate have seen the party for what it is, though – extremist. The election results tell their own story. They’ve been rejected by voters and are nowhere near government. A bit like UKIP.

    As far as we Scots go, we can look nearer to home and find a weekly example of anti-Irish racism and bigotry belting out of the TV and radio from the fans of the quintessentially British club. It wasn’t even commented on at the weekend, no doubt it was a tiny minority of 30;000. That sort of thing would be a national scandal here.

    Our nation is steeped in institutional bigotry with almost weekly anti-Catholic hate parades during the year. We are the last people to give moral lessons to others regarding racism and bigotry.

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