MORE SENSE FROM MIA

Another great post from the regular Yours for Scotland columnist Mia

A NEW STITCH UP PLAN IN THE HORIZON?

Devo max, home rule, full fiscal autonomy or federalism have been in the mouths of unionists, particularly those of a labour inclination, forever.

However, since the end of 2020 there has been a significant increase in noise related to the concept of home rule, devo max and full fiscal autonomy (FFA) across the unionist spectrum, including political parties, particularly labour, and think tanks.

Seeing unionists attempting to find ways to trash a yes vote is no surprise. What is suspicious is to read on the 5th January 2022 in The National that somebody from the SNP itself, appears to be championing this deception too.

What is worse, is that they appear to be selling it as if it was a way to unravel some sort of manufactured “constitutional logjam”. There is no logjam. There never was one. What we see is what has all the appearance of a collusion among the entire political spectrum to stop us voting for independence and forcing us to keep welded to England so it can survive out of the EU.

This tacky new attempt at deception is not just obvious, it is insulting.

This so called “logjam” could have been untangled rather easily if Sturgeon did not deliberately locked herself (and us) into the S30 route and instead had called an advisory referendum, as the EU ref was.  Alternatively, she could have used any of the last 5 elections as a plebiscite on independence.

Actually, because this is a parliamentary sovereignty, the only thing she has to do to untangle the “logjam” is to call a vote among the Scotland MPs to end the union.  That is all what it took to enter Scotland in the union, wasn’t it?, a vote by the Scottish MPs.  So the “logjam” is of course yet another attempt to fabricate a problem in order to float as “solution” what the powers that be had planned and agreed for us without our consent all along and have been waiting for 7 years to force down our throats to stop independence.

In my opinion this is an assault on democracy to an even bigger scale than the vow was.

It is fascinating that they are all trying to resurrect Devo Max/FFA when in 16 June 2015 England MPs voted in mass to refuse Full Fiscal Autonomy for Scotland, refusing Scotland full control of tax and spending.

But not just that. On that day, England MPs refused crucial amendments for Scotland. One of them, if approved, would require the consent of the Scottish Parliament if the UK Parliament wished to repeal the Human Rights Act 1998, as it applies to Scotland. 

Remember the noises we heard about changing the Human Rights Act after Brexit? Clearly England MPs were already positioning themselves in June 2015 to be able to change that Act as it applies to Scotland, even before the EU ref vote had taken place and Brexit was anywhere near the horizon.

The other amendment England MPs rejected that day was one that if approved, would have put the Sewel Convention into law.  If the Sewel Convention had been put into law, the UK Parliament would have only been able to legislate in devolved areas with the consent of the Scottish Parliament. Any further devolution powers sent to Scotland, or even FFA will not change the ability of the UK parliament to rewrite our laws at their leisure.

In other words, in June 2015, that is a whole year before the EU referendum took place, England MPs trashed any idea of Devo Max, Home Rule or Full Fiscal Autonomy, and had positioned themselves already, by stopping the Sewel convention becoming law, to be able, after Brexit, to overrule legislation passed in our Scottish parliament, despite the promises of the vow.  

This leads you to wonder if the plans for Brexit, for the power grab and for the re-writing of Scotland’s laws after Brexit had being designed well in advance that vote, well before the EU referendum had taken place and, allegedly, before anybody knew if Brexit would even happen because as we were told so many times, “it was the will of the people”. The question is the will of which people.

The whole thing gives you a feel that we are being forced to follow against our will a path somebody designed in advance for our country without us taking part in the design and this somebody has been using rigged “democratic” votes as a tool to make us believe those are our choices rather than those of somebody else. This leads one to wonder not if any election has been rigged at all, but rather how many elections and referendums in the last 7.5 years have been rigged to make us stick to this path..

How do they get us to vote for what they want and not what we want? That is easy. They do that by removing from the ballot paper the options they do not want us to vote for and substitute them with an even worse alternative to the status quo, by refusing us the vote, as Sturgeon has been doing for 7 years, or by deliberately including extra options they know will confuse and divide the vote, as this third option is clearly designed to do and the vow did before that.

What became clear in 16 June 2015 is two things.  First, that the England MPs do not suffer gladly letting go of our powers and hence control of Scotland.  The other thing that became crystal clear that day is that promises of Devo Max, Full Fiscal Autonomy or Home Rule prior any vote in a referendum are completely meaningless and futile until the UK parliament actually approves them.

Let’s not forget that at this point of 2015 when full fiscal autonomy for Scotland was refused by the England as the UK parliament, the SNP held an absolute majority in Holyrood and 56 out of 59 of the Scotland’s seats in Westminster.

This means if Sturgeon really wanted “full fiscal responsibility” as she championed for in 2015, she could have put enormous pressure and have simply demanded it, threatening with ending the union if she didn’t. If this was not granted, or independence attempted to be stopped, she could threat them with ensuring her party would change immediately its policy on the need for a referendum prior to declare independence, and would make sure that from them on, each and every single election would become a plebiscite on independence. And that of course would include the upcoming Holyrood one that would take place just one year later and crucially BEFORE the EU referendum the powers that be needed so tax dodgers and tax havens could see their beloved Brexit to come to fruition.

You just have to take a look at a map to see how such move from Sturgeon would have made the powers behind Brexit soil themselves, because if Scotland had declared independence before the EU ref took place, England would have been totally isolated, surrounded by EU countries and hard borders, without a huge chunk of what it perceives as its “domestic” market and without Scotland’s assets to be able to negotiate with. You can predict that, as one investor said years ago, with virtually nothing left to sell, England’s currency would sink. Even just the continuous threat of Scotland’s independence with election after election being a plebiscite would put the UK in an impossible situation to negotiate trade deals. There is no way in such circumstance they would have ever managed to get the English people and indeed the MPs themselves to vote for Brexit, so her bargaining power at that point was huge.

Any good negotiator worth their salt would have immediately capitalised on that and we have no reason to doubt Sturgeon would have attempted something with all that power she had been entrusted with by the Scottish people. She is certainly ambitious, a talented and experienced politician and if it is true what she says, she profoundly dislikes Tories.  I doubt she would let the opportunity to enjoy watching Tories squirm in pain in pay back for all the damage she saw Thatcher doing to her people, pass her. It is very, very hard to believe that she did not at least attempt to use that bargaining power to get something.

Our problem at this point is to figure out what it is Sturgeon would have wanted most at that point in time, if independence or that full fiscal responsibility she was asking for in 2015 plus any other sweetie thrown into the bargaining pot. And that is, I think, the crux of the matter here,

Had it been independence what Sturgeon wanted the most, and in my opinion we would be independent by now, because she would have found a way to either use any of those elections to deliver a referendum or a plebiscite. But there is of course also the possibility that, understandably, Sturgeon would not want to leave England to sink because having a country struggling at the other side of the border could be harmful for Scotland.  It would not be unthinkable then that even if independence was the preferred option, they would have waited for England to secure some trade deals and reach a more stable position. The problem with this option is that it does not explain the internal market bill threatening our own farmers and the rewriting of Scotland’s laws that is taking us further and further away from the EU making our position more vulnerable.

Had full fiscal responsibility been the preferred option, then we better get ready to wear the kebab like costume because it is quite likely that this three option ballot might well be just one of the alternatives that are being tested to see which one sticks in the process of looking for a vehicle to deliver one almighty stitch up to independence supporters.

Needless to say that in a scenario where the preferred option had been FFA, talks by the S option had been FFA, talks by the SNP about returning Scotland to the EU, any government sponsored think tanks and groups on this would have been complete and utter deception bogus.

These are all speculations, of course, trying to explain what we see. These speculations could be way off the mark. Only time will tell if she did not use that bargaining power at all, potentially wasting the best opportunity she would have been presented with in her career, or she used it to reach some sort of agreement.

The fact that for 7 years we have not seen a single extra power departing the UK parliament and arriving into ours (I am referring to powers sitting in Westminster before all those powers that were sitting in Brussels and that should have come directly to Holyrood, arrived), suggests that if indeed there ever was an agreement reached, it must have had inbuilt the condition that Brexit would be have to be allowed to take place, Scotland would have to leave the EU with England, and free trade between Scotland and England had to continue, hence the internal market bill.

With the determination of England to trash the standards to allow for a USA, Australia and New Zealand deal, free trade between Scotland and England can only be ensured to happen if Scotland lowers its standards too and remains out of the EU for the foreseeable future. What is clear to me is that if Scotland today is out of the EU, it is because the SNP never did anything serious to stop it. What I am now wondering is until what extent they might have actually facilitated it. 

I am speculating, of course, but the existence of such an agreement would explain an awful lot of things, for example why Scotland finds itself out of the EU today and drifting further and further away from it as the SNP lets the UK parliament rewrite our laws and trash our standards without, other than light posturing, lifting a serious finger to stop it.  What we don’t know at this point, of course, is what the SNP has consented on “our behalf” without us knowing it.

Going back to the intervention from that person of the SNP supporting the inclusion of this third option, I can only see two plausible interpretations. Either these people have forgotten about how the MPs rejected Full Fiscal Autonomy in 16 June 2015, therefore asking for something that cannot be delivered unless the UK parliament votes for it, or there is a very strong reason why all these people believe it can now be delivered. In other words, something has changed between 16 June 2015 and now that has the power to reverse the decision of almost four hundred MPs. Considering that the inclusion of devo max in the ballot will only serve to divide the yes vote, the latter option would throw serious questions on the assumption that for the last 7 years the SNP has been seriously pursuing independence and Scotland to remain in the EU.

I see only two options out of this. One is a political party that allows us to use the general election 2023 as a plebiscite election.  The other is to find a way to trash this 3 option nonsense. So we better brace for a) the incoming shower of smears directed towards Mr Salmond and ALBA to stop them standing a chance in that election (non-jury trial?), and b) to be drown in 24/7 propaganda to ram down our throats this 3 option ballot stitch up version or a rehashed and embellished alternative.

MY COMMENT

Mia outlines the numerous opportunities that have been spurned by the SNP since 2015. care to explain why First Minister?

I am, as always

Yours for Scotland.

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43 thoughts on “MORE SENSE FROM MIA

  1. The plebiscite election looks best to me. Maybe ALBA can save us from this in the GE.

    This third option is all about sneakily changing the Treaty of Union – they know what that is worth in the hands of a competent FM. They will put sweeties on the table and the prize for them is to remove our status as a country. We must fight this – but we must close the exposure too because they are desperate to remove our status as a country and those sweeties will be good looking. Sturgeon has given YES an ugly look for more than a few folk. We are right up against it.

    The only options that can go on the ballot paper are:
    Independence
    Status quo devolution: no change to the Treaty of Union
    Crown Dependency style “independence light” that must retain our status as a country (I don’t think it currently addresses that) – no back of a fag packet devo max.

    That’s it. This devo max has to be stopped and we need to present the alternative that stops it in its tracks: Scotland is not a guinea pig. All options should be known – the normality of independence, the hell of union or the model used for Crown Dependency (and so long as our status as a country is retained we can evolve that model to include defense in the future).

    What we cannot do – what we must not allow – is any option on the ballot paper that keeps us in this union and makes any changes to the Treaty of Union.

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    1. Personally I think the ballot should have only two options:

      1. Yes to independence
      2. No to independence

      They are trying to change it for two reasons:

      1. because they want to foist this devo max, full fiscal crap on us to prevent Scotland returning to the EU and leaving England surrounded by hard borders

      2. because they know that yes to independence is a positive message. They are trying to transform it into a negative one.

      I agree with you. At this point, bypassing the referendum is our best option. We should demand a plebiscite election on the 2023 or boycot the election. But we need to find a way to secure that franchise. There is nothing stopping the England Government sending hundreds of thousands of people to register to vote from Scotland to prevent a yes.

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      1. I agree completely Mia
        My focus on option 3 is:
        the franchise is, as you say, stuffed
        the risk of the flawed franchise resulting in option 3 is very high
        Westminster will act before ALBA grows strong – they are entitled assholes, not stupid
        Sturgeon is playing for the other team: she won’t protect our status as a country

        We have to make sure this option 3 is retaining our status as country and get the independence-light of the Crown dependency. There must be no option that turns us into Yorkshire because the flawed franchise will grab it.

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      2. I will not vote for option 3. My concern is the many non Scots who will vote in this – we need to limit what they can take from us.

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      1. but we can’t have some invention by Broon – what do we do? We need to offer some sort of certainty in option 3, if there is an option 3. There are too many while flight voters for any kind of comfort – if they can make Scotland into Yorkshire they will.

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      2. Iain I agree indisputably, but further to that I cannot for the life of me believe that within this commentary we have people touting options to Independence on a ballot paper seeking freedom from Westminster. Ah’ve stated it afore elsewhaur but Doun Hauden disnae even stert tae cover it, we hiv a lang sair road in front o’ us!

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      3. The point is Robert that if that option is going on the ballot paper – and neither you nor I will be able to stop that if the unionist Sturgeon goes for it – we need to be damned sure it does not leave us as Yorkshire. The franchise is mince and we know this.

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    2. Perhaps we could emphasise how it was a small but influential group which agreed the 1707 Union on Scotland’s behalf against the wishes of the majority of the people and that this must not happen again.
      I know the circumstances are very different, in particular that many more can vote now, but we need to let people know the dangers of this idea.

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  2. This is not even kite flying, it’s flying an armed drone! Not so long ago the SNP were decrying the Tories for bypassing the SG with levelling up funding, stealing devolved powers and ignoring the people of Scotland. Now they set up s dupe and use their propaganda paper to tell us this is the best we can achieve, now. They tell us the unionists fear it is a trap, so we all fall for it. Aye right.
    We now have ‘senior’ SNP politicians lining up to attack it. Let’s be seen to be doing something, it creates the ‘right’ impression.
    This supposed option is nothing but a betrayal of all the great Nationalists who have gone before us without realising our country’s aspiration, as well as the Party itself. This would appear to be desperation. Now look at everyone try to blame ALBA for this even being floated.

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    1. “We now have ‘senior’ SNP politicians lining up to attack it”

      They have to. If enough SNP voters find out that they have been duped and there was never an intention to deliver independence during these 7 years by the SNP but rather some form of augmented devolution, then the likelihood of a stampede from the SNP to ALBA is very high.

      This would be when ALBA is at highest risk because if there is any sign of that stampede, the powers that be will do everything in their power to sink ALBA or any party that offers a plebiscite election.

      England cannot afford for Scotland to go back to the EU and leave it surrounded by EU countries all with hard borders . This is what England voted for, it is not Scotland’s job to rescue it, therefore I would be utterly disgusted if it is confirmed that a Full Fiscal Autonomy, Devo Max or similar devolution crap has been negotiated by the SNP on our behalf to save England from its own mess by preventing Scotland ever returning to the EU. That would be in my view unforgivable.

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      1. Quite right, Mia. I think Sturgeon’s behaviour is underhand, sinister and hugely damaging to Scotland.
        She and her acolytes are acting like a 5th column to undermine any attempt at Scottish Independence. We must hold out for self-determination with no interference from outside

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      2. It was concern for Europe to the south and to the north that drove the original “union”. We have come full circle – and the dirty trick are no less now than they were before.

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  3. Sadly Sturgeon has the seats at Holyrood. She can, and will, do whatever she wants. Only one possibility exists to stop her and that is a rebellion by SNP MSPs. The MPs are irrelevant at this point. Only the MSPs can pull her down.

    Sadly they will not and she will continue this disastrous route and sell us out. Take note of this inaction by your MSP. It could not happen without their silence.

    Mia, I agree with every word of your article except for our options. We can do nothing. Sturgeon has absolute control AS LONG AS the MSPs sit silent and vote as she demands.

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    1. “The MPs are irrelevant at this point”

      I disagree. This is a matter for both, MSPs and MPs. The MSPs are part of the national parliament, where legislation for the referendum should have been passed already if there ever was an intention for it.

      The MPs are part of the Union parliament. This is a union matter. If those MPs had any balls and they were committed to independence rather than the seats, they would be revolting right now refusing to take their seats and demanding an imminent vote on the union. This devo max option they propose will not let us go back to the EU, meaning they have been blatantly lying to us for 7 years. MPs have to take responsibility for that as well.

      “We can do nothing”
      Aye we can. We can boycott the referendum unless it has only the same options it did in 2014 and a reasonable franchise, and threat with boycotting the upcoming general election unless it is a plebiscite on independence.

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      1. I think you miss my point Mia. At the moment the SNP voters will trot out so a 1.5% boycott by Alba supporters will be meaningless…unless you have data telling me the numbers have moved.
        Only if and when Sturgeons power base at Holyrood is threatened will she be lost. She can never lose a critical vote at Westminster can she.

        I like your fire but look at the picture differently. I wish I was wrong.

        Shall you be the optimist and I will be the pessimist 😎

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  4. Another good article from Mia.

    I think the SNP have made a very large tactical mistake with this, and it works in favour of Indy. I posted btl on the last one my reasons for thinking so.

    An additional opinion, from Mel over on twitter – she is an American, living and working here and fully supportive of Indy. She thinks current SNP/Nikla ‘look at the polls’ type rallying crys are very similar to the vote for Hillary Clinton type runes during the Trump election. The polls did not reflect what was happening on the streets, and how people went on to vote.

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  5. “Scotland’s independence with election after election being a plebiscite would put the UK in an impossible situation to negotiate trade deals”

    There’s the money quote. With Brexit being such a rip-roaring success so far there’s absolutely no way we’ll be “allowed” to leave for the foreseeable future. First because of the resources and money that heads south and secondly an independent Scotland might actually destabilise the north of England when the good folks there realise how much they’ve been taken for fools.

    So somebody’s been stitched up. It’s just a question of who and who by.

    @Andy+Anderson So far as I can tell the “seniors” are not that senior – just the usual errand boys and girls the Nicola usually sends.

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  6. “Scotland’s independence with election after election being a plebiscite would put the UK in an impossible situation to negotiate trade deals”

    So devo max would have to ‘settle’ the independence question for a minimum guaranteed period. That would require some form of new UK constitution being drawn up or an amended act of union.

    Begs the question, under a new act of union, why wouldn’t England have a devolved parliament?

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  7. “… You just have to take a look at a map to see how such move from Sturgeon would have made the powers behind Brexit soil themselves, because if Scotland had declared independence before the EU ref took place, England would have been totally isolated, surrounded by EU countries and hard borders, without a huge chunk of what it perceives as its “domestic” market and without Scotland’s assets to be able to negotiate with… ”

    David Cameron’s commissioning of the Crawford and Boyle Report proves that very point. If, by some mischance, Scotland had voted for independence, a full-blown international claim by England-as-the-UK would have been underway. They would have lost, I believe, because they started off with the false premise that the Treaty of Union proves that Scotland had been subsumed in 1707, but they would have made our financial position and stability extremely rocky

    From early 2015, and the infiltration of the SNP by the pseudo ‘wokerati’, there was not a snowball’s chance in hell of moving towards independence. If we don’t grasp the international nature of the movement and its aims, we have no chance of defeating it. It really is not interested in the SNP/Scotland except as a vehicle.

    Devo Max is a total waste of time, as most compromises are with those who have no intention of compromising. They urge compromise until you have compromised, then they take it all. Devo Max still leaves us in thrall to Westminster for defence, etc., and allows them a free hand in interfering in our international relations, while keeping us as Westminster’s/Washington’s puppets.

    The Internal Market legislation has ensured that we cannot deviate from the internal market without severe economic implications for our financial future. If we were going to go, it should, ideally, have been before Brexit, and, if we couldn’t do that, then we should have made it plain to any investors and importers that, in the event of independence, we would not honour any trade treaties/agreements made with the UK. By doing so beforehand, we would have been stating our case for deviating from the Westminster model and internal market unless such trade treaties and agreements suited us.

    I very much doubt whether Nicola Sturgeon will ever do anything to promote independence now unless she is absolutely forced to, and her part is just too strong to challenge right now. Yes, the MSPs might rebel, but that is also unlikely. In Ireland, a whole new approach was given life by Sinn Fein in 1916, but it involved force of arms – and America has always backed the Irish because the Irish lobby is so strong. The Scottish diaspora might even be bigger, but it is muted. Whatever we do now will risk military intervention from England-as-the-UK unless we stick to the S30 Order route. If I were another country in the UN, being implored by the Scots to “do something”, I’d be asking why they had not moved an iota since 2014 regardless of multiple opportunities to petition the international community to oversee another independence referendum or plebiscitary election.

    Good on you, Mia, but you will be disappointed in your hopes by this lot of wishy-washy virtue-signallers. Devo Max is the boat that has sailed. Devo anything is a trap for the endlessly procrastinating. A S30 Order is is own reward – zilch. Independence is still an option but it will require something we have not seen yet and a removal of all the pseudo ‘wokerati’ from office. It remains to be seen whether anyone will pick up the red-hot baton and risk being burned. It also remains to be seen whether the Scots have the stomach for what it will take, or, more to the point, the nous to recognise the opportunity when it comes along.

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  8. What a woman Mia. you’ve got that lot of traitors sussed. I pray it will be the downfall off the traitor Sturgeon.

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  9. Forget an indyref with a third option, we need a plebiscitary election whenever the next one is, it must a plebiscitary one, and we must use the time between now and then to compel Sturgeon to see it as one. She point blank refused 2021’s May elections as a plebiscite even though many indy supporters wanted it to be one, we can’t let her snub us again.

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    1. If it is the ALBA GE manifesto then it is not her remit to deny the mandate – she is a self declared lackey in a regional super council

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  10. @marionl99 “she is a self declared lackey in a regional super council” And that’s exactly what she’ll be remembered as.

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  11. And Balmoral, the royal pad. and a bit of Scotland where our hereditary elites can go with their paedophile friends and enjoy the company of young women. And not a murmur from our police force.

    Very much reflects the sordid state of our so nation. Our very own Gitmo Bay where our elites can enjoy a perverted Caligulan feast.

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  12. NO referendum.

    A ref. means playing by english/WM rules. It’ll be rigged from top to bottom.

    Plebicite – means we are in control.

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  13. I think most REAL independence supporters realise that sturgeon not only is NOT interested in independence she is ACTIVELY SABOTAGING OUR CHANCES and the ONLY way we can stop her or FORCE her to change direction is to THREATEN her position of heid mammy and colonial administrator

    I apologise in advance for the length of this comment and the response from Roddy which I posted on his (It Is Time For Leadership) post

    twathater says:
    3 January 2022 at 3:08 am

    I will resurrect an idea I proposed prior to the 2021 election on WOS and other blogs including BB , YFS , PABell , Grousebeater and others which received the big deaf ear

    We ALL worry about voting or NOT voting for the SNP , and the May 2021 PROVED that even when you hold your nose and vote SNP you still get humped , but if you don’t vote SNP you still get humped by other unionists

    Sturgeon is not stupid , she KNOWS desperate indy supporters HAVE to vote for the SNP currently , they have NO choice if they want indy , plus the unionist parties are worse

    It is called BLACKMAIL and she has done it successfully since 2015 , LET’S turn the tables on her and her taliban troops

    MY proposal then as now is (set up a downloadable pro forma OR set up a website where people , voters can FORCE Sturgeon and the SNP to PAY ATTENTION

    Roddy you are all for a people’s convention THIS IS ONE only it is online

    The downloadable pro forma which would be counted would say to Sturgeon and the SNP

    I Roger Rabbit , residing at 2 Rabbit Burrow , Paisley , Renfrewshire , hereby DECLARE and inform you that I will NOT vote for the SNP in any forthcoming elections , Unless and Until Nicola Sturgeon states categorically , unequivocally and publicly that every forthcoming election will be stated as a independence plebiscite election , whereby if independence parties win more than 50% of the votes it is an unequivocal endorsement by the MAJORITY that independence is declared with negotiations following , a further DEMAND is that the GRA and HCB is either shelved or paused until after independence to enable the Scottish People to have a vote via a referendum

    The proforma is then downloaded , signed by the individual with a copy sent to Sturgeon and the declarers SNP MP’S and MSP’S

    ALTERNATIVELY a website with counters could be arranged for people , voters to sign the exact same pledge inputting their information

    Us independence voters have been blackmailed by Sturgeon since 2015 which has enabled her to gain her riches , NOW if she wants to continue gaining her riches she will be FORCED to accede to our demands or she will be unelectable , and the best thing about it is WE ARE TAKING BACK CONTROL

    TIME to take off the gloves , sorry for the length

    The Reply from Roddy

    Barrheadboy says:
    3 January 2022 at 8:20 am

    This idea is not so much a Convention more of a petition. Nothing to stop you setting it up and see how it flies.

    I Replied
    twathater says:
    3 January 2022 at 5:07 pm

    Roddy I would do it and I would have done it prior to the 2021 May election but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge or technical nous to do so , I presume it would require a host website which would contain the document available for download where the interested party would print it off to send , but you would also like to know how many copies have been downloaded and sent to sturgeon and the MP”S and MSP’S of the constituencies which would require a counter to facilitate that . It would then require the assistance of the blogging , twattering and faceplook community to spread it out to a wider audience

    I realise it appears more like a petition than a physical convention but if supported and spread to enough people who posted it to Sturgeon and company it might FORCE them into action , as you are well aware time is running out to defeat this lunatic and you and the other new media can only do so much , and unless the cabal are threatened with loss of power and their finances removed they will carry on mercilessly

    I again reiterate that I neither have the experience or technical knowledge to arrange something like the proposal above and I would appeal to anyone with the knowledge and belief that this would work to adopt it and run with it

    The reality is that this deviant person has ALL the power just now and will not relinquish it , WE gave it to her through the ballot box and the ONLY way currently we can get rid of her until we have a political party to challenge her is by the same method , to DENY her and her party votes any votes in any elections , do you think the troughers wouldn’t turn on her when their finances are threatened

    Iain I think you didn’t publish my suggestion last time because you thought it wasn’t time , Is it time NOW

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    1. A pro forma message for the FM would be good. If nobody can set such a thing up, remember that you can email or write to the FM at any time with your views. I do this and although I have not had much in the way of reply I am resonably sure someone reads the emails and letters and if enough people pelt the SNP with their views on this, something might stick.

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  14. I would also like to say if the snp keep pursuing this devo pish we should make it clear that HR should be closed and any Scots Reps should only be in WM and see how the snp troughers , liebour troughers , lib dumb troughers and tory troughers like getting their P45’s because they are not needed to trash Scotland WM does that itself

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  15. twathater, the basic idea is sound but a petition is not the right way. It’s a clear statement of intent which will only have an effect if it’s wildly successful. Most petitions are not. It’s much better to create uncertainty. That would unsettle politicians the most and a little bit of fear in the ranks could do no end of good.

    It’s more important to get people talking but not reveal their intent. Roddy, Robin McAlpine and others have been pushing the citizens assemblies as a way of opening up democracy and not just leaving it to the hand-sitters in Holyrood and Westminster. If you combined that with the likes of Through a Scottish Prism then you’d have more people talking about what they might do. That would have a knock-on effect with the listeners. As a result instead of having a one-time event like a petition you’d have an on-going conversation about how a bunch of wasters were likely to be turfed out on the street.

    I realise that’s way, way harder to achieve but it’s already started. It’s just a matter of building on it.

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    1. I understand and agree with you to an extent Stuart , the difficulty is there is so much disorganisation with no organised focus on the way forward, that is why I asked Iain to form and head a NEW MEDIA committee comprising of all the popular independence blogs NOT snp blogs
      Iain, Roddy and others like yourself are doing a fantastic job , but she/it can just ignore or demean their posts as snp haters or ALBA and Salmond supporters whilst all the while comfortable in the questionable knowledge that her support has not reduced
      She and they the troughers NEED threatened that their FINANCIAL security is at RISK from disgruntled VOTERS outraged at sturgeon’s continued government FAILURES and inability to pursue independence , it may be that her cabal of shitebags are frightened to go against her but if they think their jobs are at risk it may stimulate some dissention in the ranks (divide and conquer)

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  16. Good article Mia, and what can we do about our do-nothing MPs? Bribery played a large part in the creation of the union, it could again with the promise of sinecures and expenses to the heroic MPs who vote to end their jobs… trouble is only the Scottish Government can guarantee this, and we know who runs that.

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  17. Sturgeon would not want to leave England to sink because having a country struggling at the other side of the border could be harmful for Scotland. Where as the country on the other side of the Scottish border has been more harmful to Scotland for much much more than 300 odd years of union.

    Time to turn the other cheek. The people of Scotland are on their own, the people we elect to look after our country by and large do not care, we have been duped for centuries. I doubt that there is an institution in Scotland that acts in Scotlands interest.

    Any decent political person could and should be telling us how things should be as an independent country.

    Anyone of any influence who deviates from total independence should be dumped.

    Anyone presently elected to political office who has the slightest thought of asking permission from England for anything in relation to Scotland should be banned for life from political office

    Anyone who has attended any American political training camps can bugger off.

    It is time to rid ourselves of our abusers.

    Excellent article Mia

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