The final part of the Mia response to the challenge. A pleasure to read. She would make a great Advocate.
“Scotland is subject to and dependent not on England, but on the United Kingdom”
I think this is incorrect. It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain the entity that is dependent on continuous consent from Scotland to remain as such. I do agree that currently it is the UK of Great Britain, what is a state, but because it is the product of an international treaty, the minute that treaty ends, the UK state ends. This is the same scenario with the EU. The EU is the legal entity that negotiated all the trade agreements for its constituent countries as part of the EU. This means that if tomorrow the constituent states of the EU end the treaty that gave birth to the EU, the EU as a legal entity ceases to exist and therefore all those trade deals negotiated with the EU as the legal entity will cease to have validity in the eyes of the law. The Uk is not a country. It is a political union, just like the EU is.
“The United Kingdom can do what it likes with Scotland”
I think this is incorrect for two reasons:
1. The UK is not independent from Scotland – it is Scotland. I think what you may mean is that England can do what it wants with Scotland, because what we have at present is not “The UK”. What we have is a rogue England acting as the UK.
2. As I said above, the “UK of Great Britain” derives its legitimacy to remain as a legitimate state from an international treaty and hence the continuous consent from its two signatory parties for that treaty to continue. So in reality, and because it is a bipartite political union, it is Scotland who can do what it likes with The UK, not the other way round. We will continued to be dictated for as long as we keep doing as we are told. Perhaps we should turn round and start saying “no”. We will decide what to do from now on, thank you.
“It can give it a parliament”
“IT” cannot give what it does not own. The UK parliament does not own Scotland’s powers. It has borrowed them. The parliament of Scotland was RECONVENED by demand of the people of Scotland, don’t forget. It was never a gift from England MPs. They had to because if they didn’t the alternative was the acceleration of Scotland’s independence. The “gifts” of our own powers are being very carefully managed by Westminter by managing our expectations to stop us demand them all back at once.
“it can decide what powers that parliament has”
If it has happened that way until now it is because the people of Scotland is not fully aware of their popular sovereignty. It has happened that way because the UK’s survival is entirely based on foundations of deception. EVen devolution is a deception. For instance, did you notice that the powers allocated to Scotland’s parliament in 1999 were decided AFTER the vote took place? Did you notice that the powers handed back to Scotland in 2014 were decided AFTER the vote took place? In what democratic world do you cast your vote before you know what you are getting? This is pure damage limitation.
Why do you think the people of Scotland has never been asked what powers they want to have in their parliament?
Because the English ruling elite is scared the people of Scotland are going to turn round and demand all powers back. They have been for decades desperately trying to slam down the breaks on a process that started the day after the Treaty of Union was signed.
“Scotland is not a sovereign state and has not been so since 1707”
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. You claim it is not a sovereign state. I claim it has put its sovereignty on hold and can restore its statehood whenever its people, where its sovereignty lies, reclaim that sovereignty back. The only thing they need to do is to ignore Sturgeon’s bleatings about her unicorn neverendum, find a suitable vehicle to bypass Sturgeon and her toothless SNP and declare the Treaty of Union 1707 void.
“You do have a bee in your bonnet about England”
Do I detect an attempt to send me on a guilty trip? Don’t bother as you would be wasting your time. I make no apologies whatsoever for expressing the truth as I see it. England has been exploiting and abusing Scotland for centuries. England by means of its representatives and monarch has imposed absolute rule on Scotland for its own benefit, in direct breach of Scotland’s constitution and by default the treaty of union. England has pocketed the bulk of the profits from Scotland’s vast oil resources and is now pocketing the profits of Scotland’s renewables. In England’s eyes, the assets of every nation of the Uk are hers and her debt is everybody else’s, yet England is the only one that has a huge, and I mean huge, deficit of trade of goods. We are talking about over 100 billion. England has used Scotland to pay a share of England’s debt, to pay for its vanity projects and the corruption of its political party’s negotiations, like the PPE and test kits recent scandals. England is using Scotland as its own nuclear waste back yard. England’s representatives are undermining and deceiving Scotland continuously for the sake of preserving what looks like an unlawful treaty that should have been declared void the day after it was signed.
There, I said it and I still no sign of the bee.
“The parliament you refer to is not England’s parliament, it is the parliament of the United Kingdom”
It may be called like that but it most certainly is not the UK of Great Britain Parliament. It is England acting as the UK parliament. Take a look at the EU parliament to see what a union parliament looks like. 705 members for the entire EU that has around 447 million people. England alone has 553 MPs for 55 million people. For the larger EU countries there is a cap in the number of members. Germany has 83 million people and only 96 seats (13%) England’s proportion of seats in the England as the UK parliament is 83%. That is not a “UK” parliament. That is England’s parliament. Proof of this is that we have effectively England MPs determining by themselves to increase England’s representation even more at the expense of decreasing the representation of Scotland, Wales and NI. As it is, with no cap, they could vote to take over all seats from NI, Wales and Scotland. Would you still call it then “the UK” parliament of by then you would start to consider it being England’s parliament?
” Technically, England is as subservient to it”
Please don’t make me laugh. England has been acting as “the uK” and keeping everybody else silent and subservient to its own needs for as long as I remember. There is nothing subservient about England.
” By agreeing to union with England, Scotland accepted that it would be governed by a parliament that was made up largely of English members”
Scotland did not accept anything. A handful of bribed aristocrats did.
“And Westminster has the right to decide over Scottish citizens because Scotland agreed to that”
When? Our 2014 contract which we accepted with our no vote is void. The minute England MPs unilaterally butchered the Act of Scotland which underpinned the status quo that gave legitimacy to that vote, they butchered the agreement.
On 8th May 2015 the people of Scotland sent an absolute majority of SNP MPs to Westminster. Democratically speaking, that removed that right from Westminster to act on behalf of Scotland. If it didn’t is only because Sturgeon removed the wheels of the SNP in preparation for that vote.
Furthermore, since 2016 there has been a mandate for an independence referendum on the table. A mandate for an independence referendum is not an agreement for Westmisnter to continue actiong on behalf of Scotland and business as usual. That mandate means Scotland has been questioning since 2015 that right and demands an opportunity to decide. Until the time that referendum or a plebiscitary election on independence in its place, Westminster does not longer have that right. The people of Scotland took that right away in 2015 and from 2016 the people of Scotland has said by means of that referendum mandate that until that vote takes place, that right is not restored.
“Unfortunately, however, the United Kingdom can and does”
I disagree. The only reason why we are doing what England as the UK tells us is because we have an elite, like Prof Baird says, that have reached an agreement with the colonialists. if we had real representatives instead of colonial administrators we would not be told by England what to do.
“Don’t blame the English for it. It was our parcel of rogues who sold us down the river for English gold”
Not quite. There are several parties to the betrayal:
1. those from England who engineered the gerrymandering of the Darrien scheme and the Alien Act to coerce the parliament of Scotland into conceding.
2. Those behind bribes and the dirty tactics to not call the members of parliament to ensure those who oppose the Treaty were in minority
3. The cowards and betrayers who pocketed the gold coins in exchange for selling their Kingdom
4. Those north and south of the Hadrian wall who have misinformed, obfuscated, deceived and abused power through history to keep an unlawful Treaty going against the interests of the people of Scotland and for the sake of England, the insatiable greed of its elite and its wars.
5. The current cowards that Scotland has as government who, watching breach after breach of the Treaty, they choose to sit on their hands like cowards and look the other way instead of ending the Treaty and its misery.
Besides the coercion mentioned above with regards to the Darrien scheme and the Alien Act, From the Vienna Convention on the law of treaties:
“Article 50 – Corruption of a representative of a State”
“If the expression of a State’s consent to be bound by a treaty has been procured through the corruption of its representative directly or indirectly by another negotiating State, the State may invoke such corruption as invalidating its consent to be bound by the treaty”
Buying the vote of sufficient MPs in 1706 with money, peerages or other sinecures falls very nicely within the concept of “corruption of a representative of a State”, don’t you agree?
This means the treaty was void even before the day it was signed. Scotland has remained trapped in this union not because of the Treaty in 1707 or because the bribes with English gold. Scotland has remained trapped in this union because successive governments and waves of MPs and MSPs did not find the guts neither to repeal the Act of Union in Scotland’s parliament nor to drag this treaty aberration into an international court of law and end its misery
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