THE SEVEN LIES

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A excellent discussion between Sara Salyers and fellow Salvo member Leah Gunn Barrett discussing some of the key lies Westminster spins and how they impact on Scotland. Well worth a watch.

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15 thoughts on “THE SEVEN LIES”

  3. I enjoyed that! I was aware of almost all the arguments and backgrounds put forward, but it’s good to have the facts laid out more than once in different ways and from different perspectives because you can then see better how things are interconnected, and a wider and clearer picture emerges.

    Well done, more please!

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  4. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Reinforces what I had already cleaned from Sarah and others and in such an enlightening way, well done ladies, Salvo.com. Liberation.com and Iain for posting.

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  5. Thank you, Leah and Sara for a lucid discussion.

    Me? I paddle my own canoe, and so must Scotland. We are a nation it is time we asserted ourselves.

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  7. Great to have these two women in dialogue. Lively and informative discussion. Assertions have to be rigorously valid of course. One lapse was Leah’s language-related claim that “English came from Scots”.

    It is to be regretted also that for all the raised profile of our “colonisation” these days, there is seemingly no awakened consciousness that the actual tap-root language of Scottish territorial identity, ie Gaelic — our historic Lingua Scottorum — is currently experiencing what may well be its final agonising years of internally-colonised extinction, annihilated by long centuries of colonial disparagement and marginalisation, including (let it not be forgotten) centuries preceding the Treaty of Union:

    “Thairfor that they shall send thair bairnis being past the age of nyne yeiris to the Scollis in the Lawlandis, to the effect thay may be instructit and trayned to wryte and reid and to speake Inglische.” (Act of Privy Council of Scotland 1616)(Collectanea de Rebus Albanicus p 121)

    Conceding that the term “Scots” has now been irretrievably re-appropriated since the time of Gavin Douglas (1476-1522), I hold that the neutering and “othering” of Gaelic (eg referring to it as “Erse”) should be countered by designating it with the noun “Scottish”. And let it be clarified yet again that this Scotland of ours is named after the Scots, and the language that the Scots brought to this land was GAELIC.

    Returning to the “English came from Scots” mis-speak, the DSL webpage, for the record, gives the following:

    “What is Scots? Scots, along with its closest relative English, is a member of the West Germanic family of languages, a group that also includes Afrikaans, Dutch, Flemish, Frisian, and German. It is a distinctive language, divergent from English since at least the fourteenth century. It shares with English a common ancestor: Old English, or Anglo-Saxon, the language that first emerged amongst Germanic incomers in south-east England during the fifth century CE, and which subsequently spread throughout much of the rest of the island of Britain.”

    https://dsl.ac.uk/about-scots/what-is-scots/

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    1. “And let it be clarified yet again that this Scotland of ours is named after the Scots, and the language that the Scots brought to this land was GAELIC.”

      Dinnae forget the Picts, Fearghas. For much of the first millennium, documentary evidence complements the archaeological record concerning the Picts (Armit 1996, 159). This evidence starts with the Romans at the beginning of the first millennium and ends with the emergent kingdom of the Scots, whilst charting the activities of the Picts. From around 800 AD, the Picts (central and northern Scotland) and the Dalriada Scots (Argyll, from Antrim originally) were uniting under King Kenneth mac Alpin about AD 843 (Ritchie 1985, 183). The Picts are therefore regarded as descendants of the indigenous native Iron Age tribes of Scotland. The Pictish period is generally taken to run from AD 79 when the Romans first advanced into Caledonia north of the Forth-Clyde isthmus, until AD 842/900 and establishment of the King Kenneth Mac Alpin dynasty which joined the Picts together with the Dalriada Scots to create a single Scots nation (Foster 2001).

      Scotland could easily have been called Pictland.

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      1. I am never quite sure what your pitch is with the Picts. Any suggestion that Celtic Pictish is somehow related to Germanic Scots has long been discredited. The Picts are now understood to have spoken a P-Celtic language, possibly with affinity to Continental Gaulish, but at any rate not far removed from Q-Celtic Gaelic, the syntax and vocabulary of which show some Pictish influence. If Scotland was currently called Pictland and Pictish was still a viable living language then I would certainly be championing it as the founding Celtic language of our country. It is also worth bearing in mind that the oldest known Scottish poem, Y Gododdin, was written in a form of (P-Celtic) Welsh perhaps in the Edinburgh area (though latest research might qualify that). The Welsh still call Strathclyde the “Old North”, because Welsh was spoken there up till the eleventh century. Pictish is very sadly extinct. As for Welsh, it has had the good fortune that Wales remains its robust custodian. In marked contrast, it has been to the ongoing detriment of Scottish Gaelic that its own stewardship has fallen to such a linguistically indifferent country as Scotland. The Celtic antecedents of Pictish, Welsh and Gaelic were once spoken across Europe from what is now Portugal to what is now Turkey, and from Shetland down over the Alps to Northern Italy. But whether any form of Celtic will still be a living language in another century is greatly in question. On the other hand, with all due respect, there is certainly no shortage of forms of Germanic languages on the planet, English of course being the globally dominant form.

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      2. As to the buried pervasiveness of Gaelic throughout Scotland, we can ponder the two maps of Scotland on the following webpage. The top map shows the comprehensive distribution of the Gaelic placename element “BAILE” (“Steading/Farm/Township”).The lower map shows that of “ACHADH” (“Field”) —

        Here are a couple of examples of the hidden presence of the above terms (from another site) —

        BALERNO = BAILE ÀIRNEACH = “Sloe-Tree Farm/Steading”

        AUCHENSHUGGLE = ACHADH AN T-SEAGAIL = “The Field of Rye/ Ryefield”

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  8. Listened to that while painting some bee hives and it helped lighten the mood. Sara’s enthusiasm is infectious. Well done ladies.

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  9. Sara and Leah – BRAVA!
    ‘Be bold and great forces will come to your aid.’ (Goethe).
    You two are bold – we await the great forces when our slumbering Caledonia fully wakes up…

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  10. Interesting to compare and contrast Irish and Scottish experience in the light of Feargal McLuskey’s current blog article —

    UP THE REPUBLIC! DRUMBOE & A NEW IRELAND by Blosc (17 March 2023)

    “…This blog often posits three main tendencies in Irish history – colonial or colonising [British], assimilationist or colonised [constitutional nationalist] and anti-imperialist or decolonising [republican]. These are not fixed or reified categories but operate on a continuum. I argued that the anti-imperialist and decolonising revolutionary element split with the Treaty between those who maintained the republic and a gradualist tendency that ‘pragmatically’ abandoned the anti-imperialist struggle for a ‘stepping-stone’ strategy. Daly and his three comrades apparently shouted ‘Up the Republic’ in unison as they faced the Free State firing squad. They personified this anti-imperialism and can be located within the decolonising tendency that effectively launched the active stage of the Irish revolution on Easter Monday 1916. They were shot under orders from the gradualist element led by Collins and then Mulchay who were coming increasingly under the control of an assimilationist counter-revolutionary tendency personified by Kevin O’Higgins…”

    https://blosc.wordpress.com/2023/03/17/up-the-republic-drumboe-a-new-ireland/

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    1. I should have added Craig’s short written prelude to the above:

      “Do not despair. There may be politicians who have abandoned any genuine intent to gain Scottish Independence, but the path is still open. It is a question of nerve and will. I think we should lift our eyes beyond the current SNP leadership contest – although I shall in future be commenting on its incredible revelations – and look at the much bigger picture. So here we are.”

      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/03/the-high-road-to-independence/

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