UNITE OR FAIL



A guest post from Bill Clark, an Alba Party member living in Fort William.

UNITE OR FAIL.

The Holyrood elections in 2026 should see a worthy vanguard of Alba MSPs taking their seats wearing the white rose of Scotland on their lapels, not only for show but as a commitment to Scottish independence.  Such a commitment on its own is no longer enough for independence voters.  

We were inundated over many years with front page photographs in “The National” of Nicola Sturgeon, so many photographs, you could virtually see the ex-First Minister ageing before our eyes, along with each pronouncement of her intended action to bring about independence, doubling up in emphasis as each election drew closer.   Time and again she explained that a Section 30 was just around the corner, along with her claim that Westminster simply could not continually deny democracy and refuse the will of the Scottish people.   The SNP leadership were lining up to repeat those ridiculous statements.

MCELENY’S BOTTLE

At the end of the day the SNP had to climb down and admit defeat as they realised that Chris McEleny and Angus MacNeil had been right all along and that the proposal to rely on the FMs Section 30 from Westminster was doomed to failure.   The response to McEleny from a group of delegates who were close together at the SNP conference brought so much verbal abuse towards the man for having the audacity to express a view that did not have the support of the FM, was in very poor taste, considering the SNP eventually had to follow his advice.    Even at that, those people in the SNP leadership who had orchestrated the verbal abuse which had been directed at McEleny could not bring themselves to apologise to the man or even publicly to acknowledge their mistake.  One long standing MP who had persistently given his support to the FM’s Section 30 proposal had the nerve to reverse the roles to take credit for McEleny’s proposal for himself which caused great hilarity amongst Alba party supporters.   The reality was that McEleny had what most of them did not possess, the bottle to confront reality and the ne’er-do-wells within the SNP cabal who orchestrated the abuse against him in support of the ex-FM, which held up the progress towards independence.   From those heady days of expectation of a Westminster Section 30 being provided some of the ex-FM exponents of her pronouncements over the years, are now talking about anything from ten to twenty years before we can now realistically expect to achievement the very thing, they were informing us was just around the corner.

A TRUE POLITICIAN    

Some like the SNPs ex-Westminster leader are even thinking of extending their own political careers by taking a hop skip and a jump towards a career in the House of Lords, openly showing the SNP the road to take towards hari-kari.   Not surprisingly, Iain Blackford was not so forthcoming before he announced his retirement.  This is the man who made derisory comments towards Kenny MacAskill when Kenny decided to leave the SNP because of their lack of enthusiasm towards independence and their behaviour towards the ex-First Minister, Alex Salmond.    

Since Nicola Sturgeon took over from Alex Salmond, the SNP got bogged down by putting their efforts into everything but the fight for independence.  Accordingly, many thousands of members left the SNP through their lack of action.    

DEBATE IS DEMOCRACY  

Policy differences within politics is democracy in action and those differences can be debated by the party membership before being adopted as party policy.   Any changes to the internal voting system should first be debated and voted on at an Alba conference without any reference to the he said, she said level of debate.  If people submit their name to contest any election, they must expect the results thereof to be published, at the very least, to other members of the party.   Alba is a new party and unless you are well known or have someone who is singing your praises you have no reason to be embarrassed at the result of such an election.    The time will come when members will get to know each other.   During the build up to the 2014 referendum no one within the party system or any other independent supporting organisation, ever to my knowledge, took on personal or party crusades on the same year as an election or indeed the referendum as it would only have hampered the political fight and work against the very thing, we were all trying to achieve.   

Without debate you can’t have democracy, that is part of the democratic process and should not be confused with back room political deals.    Party leaders through the ages were well aware, and believed that most people could be bought.   Lord George Murray, the Jacobite General during the ‘45 uprising, questioned whether anyone could claim to be free when corruption and bribery were at such a pitch, that not only were Members of Parliament open to corruption but even the electors were being bribed.  This, he said, has increased every seven years (i.e. at elections after the Septennial Act) “it is so bad that ministers are openly saying that every man has his price?”

THE SEPTENNIAL ACT OF 1716

This act was brought in by the Whigs after the Jacobite uprising in 1715.  The act increased the years between elections from 3 years to 7 years which meant that the Whigs could relax somewhat, knowing that they could now evade electoral judgement until 1722 and that gave them more time to settle in and consolidate themselves in power.   With that longer period in power people got used to that power base, not unlike the SNP today, Labour throughout the Blair years and the Tories before that. 

It was not until 1911 that the duration between elections was reduced to 5 years.

 UPDATING THE MEMBERSHIP    

Alba elected representatives have to ensure that they update the Alba membership each and every quarter on the actions that they have taken, and the progress that their actions have made towards attaining Scottish independence.

CANDIDATES IN WAITING  

We have some outstanding candidates waiting in the wings who would wear that Scottish white rose with pride.  I occasionally hear people make judgements on independence supporting MPs and MSPs based on whether their political leanings are running parallel to their own views be it to the left or right.   As a nationalist I could never understand that logic, bearing in mind, that the priority is to support someone whose belief is in Scottish independence as we require to take votes from people of all persuasions.  As has been said on many occasions we belong to a broad church of opinions.  Narrow political opinions can cloud judgement.    I can never remember asking myself, never mind anyone else, whether I was going to give my support to a prospective candidate because of their political leanings rather than the person’s commitment to independence.

ELECTIONS 2024 AND 2026 

I am looking forward to Alba MSPs taking up seats in Holyrood in 2026 and all I look for is a commitment to independence, and to act on it.   That’s where the choice of Alba candidates is so important and we already have some of those men and women as members.  Some have already shown their commitment by leaving the SNP because of the party’s lack of progress towards independence.

ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE?     

I agree with the decision that we give Angus MacNeill, as a committed independence supporter, a free run to pin on that white rose in the Westminster election in 2024.   He has, after all, found himself ostracised from the SNP because of his insistence that they were not doing enough to bring about the very thing that they were in existence to attain.   That being the case, before the 2026 Scottish elections take place, I would like to see independence supporting MPs confirm one way or another if they intend to remove themselves from Westminster to contest the Holyrood elections in 2026 or if they intend to remain and play out their Oliver Twist role?   To do so will see it continue to be a never-ending debate with Westminster which has already been played out over many years, too many, without providing any progress towards our aim of achieving our independence or anything close to it.    Some of those MPs in their defence will claim that there was little they could do because they were tied to working within the confines of Westminster rule.  To a point they would be right.  The Section 30 was a case in point.   Yet, they did not have to rely on being granted a Section 30 from Westminster and   they could have spoken out against such a proposal.   If they had listened to Chris McEleny on that subject instead of dismissing his proposal in such a high-handed manner at the SNP conference, we would be further along the road to independence than we are today.  Instead, we are still at the starting blocks waiting on the starting gun to be fired.

A FORMULA FOR FAILURE

There must be no exceptions when it comes to MPs who have been elected on a ticket to bring about independence settling in for the long hall at Westminster.   I might not be able to give you the formula for immediate outright success in achieving independence but I can give you the formula for failure and giving the SNP another five years to settle in at Westminster is certainly it.   No more taking activists for fools.  The SNP commitment to independence has been diluted to such an extent that the reality is it has disappeared notwithstanding Alba MP Neale Hanvey’s outstanding Westminster performance which was on this occasion supported by SNP MPs to bring power back to the Scottish Parliament to enable Scotland to set the bricks in place to call a referendum.   Previously, with the exception of one SNP MP, they refused on mass to attend the debate to save the Grangemouth oil refinery when so many Scottish jobs were at risk.  Alba’s Kenny MacAskill led the debate.  That type of reaction by the Westminster SNP MPs is the reason thousands left the SNP in the first place.

Kenny MacAskill has shown a lifetime of outstanding commitment to Scottish independence and the lack of support from the SNP in Westminster to both MacAskill and Neale Hanvey’s efforts in that place has emphasized the SNPs lack of class and commitment to the independence cause.     

While I don’t know any Alba NEC members personally, I can only make a few comments on those who were SNP activists and/or elected MPs and MSPs and one or two others from speeches and television interviews plus hour upon hour of watching the Holyrood and Westminster Parliaments.  In other words, just like thousands of other people who have the same interest in politics as I do.    The Alba Party has some members I am impressed with through their involvement over the years in the independence movement and particularly in the effort that they are putting in today.   Others, I am aware, put in unstinting effort and work every bit as hard which invariably goes under the radar but is no less important.   With the Westminster elections in 2024 I understand that Alba intends to contest approximately 12 seats and two years later I expect many more will be to the fore in contesting the critical Holyrood elections.   While I am a member of both Alba and Salvo, I do not believe it is a case of one or the other.   I am no longer an activist in the true sense of the word, regarding canvasing or attending meetings but like most activists, I have views on the type of political candidate I would like to see confront those who sit on the unionist benches and any others who claim to be what they are not.

TASMINA AHMED – SHEIKH, ASH REGAN AND EVA COMRIE

One such person I would like to see as part of the Alba contingent in Holyrood is most certainly Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh.  I have never met the lady but I do remember her as an MP.  I was impressed then and I am more impressed now with the work she puts into the Alba Party and the independence movement.  She is an organiser par excellence and has been an active member of the independence movement.   Another, I want to see standing beside Tasmina is Ash Regan.   She deserved the reception she was accorded at the Alba Party conference.  She has political determination in abundance and showed it by standing by her principles when resigning her ministerial position in Government.  She has the political acumen required by showing that she is unafraid to confront those in the SNP who want to take baby steps towards independence.   The SNP have been taking baby steps for years now, we have to up our game or we will find that just like the SNP, the independence movement will slow down from a walk to a crawl.

Sometimes you can hear someone speak for the first time and it takes your breath away.  One such lady was Eva Comrie.   Her impassioned speech at a past Alba Party conference was just what was needed and I look forward to seeing her take her seat in 2026 and I can’t wait to hear more of the same in Holyrood.  I really could go on and on as there are so many others I have read about and have been impressed by their tenacity.    Others, have in the past, represented the constituency I live in, like Fergus Ewing MSP, who has been an outstanding ambassador for the Highlands.    His commitment to independence has been politically impeccable just like his siblings and mother and father before, all of them, put everything they had into the fight for independence, it is in their DNA.   If you have to rely on someone to have your back politically then Fergus Ewing is your man.  I have always spoken highly of Kate Forbes, another local MSP, and a very talented politician. 

Independence is the one thing that should unite all activists.   Giving devolutionists another five years in Westminster is not to my liking, it is now time to confront and cast that proposal aside and take the only road that will lead to Holyrood and independence.  We will not find that highway by asking anyone in Westminster which road to take.  

Bill Clark.

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THE SEPTENNIAL ACT OF 1716

This act was brought in by the Whigs after the Jacobite uprising in 1715.  The act increased the years between elections from 3 years to 7 years which meant that the Whigs could relax somewhat, knowing that they could now evade electoral judgement until 1722 and that gave them more time to settle in and consolidate themselves in power.   With that longer period in power people got used to that power base, not unlike the SNP today, Labour throughout the Blair years and the Tories before that. 

It was not until 1911 that the duration between elections was reduced to 5 years.

 UPDATING THE MEMBERSHIP    

Alba elected representatives have to ensure that they update the Alba membership each and every quarter on the actions that they have taken, and the progress that their actions have made towards attaining Scottish independence.

CANDIDATES IN WAITING  

We have some outstanding candidates waiting in the wings who would wear that Scottish white rose with pride.  I occasionally hear people make judgements on independence supporting MPs and MSPs based on whether their political leanings are running parallel to their own views be it to the left or right.   As a nationalist I could never understand that logic, bearing in mind, that the priority is to support someone whose belief is in Scottish independence as we require to take votes from people of all persuasions.  As has been said on many occasions we belong to a broad church of opinions.  Narrow political opinions can cloud judgement.    I can never remember asking myself, never mind anyone else, whether I was going to give my support to a prospective candidate because of their political leanings rather than the person’s commitment to independence.

ELECTIONS 2024 AND 2026 

I am looking forward to Alba MSPs taking up seats in Holyrood in 2026 and all I look for is a commitment to independence, and to act on it.   That’s where the choice of Alba candidates is so important and we already have some of those men and women as members.  Some have already shown their commitment by leaving the SNP because of the party’s lack of progress towards independence.

ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE?     

I agree with the decision that we give Angus MacNeill, as a committed independence supporter, a free run to pin on that white rose in the Westminster election in 2024.   He has, after all, found himself ostracised from the SNP because of his insistence that they were not doing enough to bring about the very thing that they were in existence to attain.   That being the case, before the 2026 Scottish elections take place, I would like to see independence supporting MPs confirm one way or another if they intend to remove themselves from Westminster to contest the Holyrood elections in 2026 or if they intend to remain and play out their Oliver Twist role?   To do so will see it continue to be a never-ending debate with Westminster which has already been played out over many years, too many, without providing any progress towards our aim of achieving our independence or anything close to it.    Some of those MPs in their defence will claim that there was little they could do because they were tied to working within the confines of Westminster rule.  To a point they would be right.  The Section 30 was a case in point.   Yet, they did not have to rely on being granted a Section 30 from Westminster and   they could have spoken out against such a proposal.   If they had listened to Chris McEleny on that subject instead of dismissing his proposal in such a high-handed manner at the SNP conference, we would be further along the road to independence than we are today.  Instead, we are still at the starting blocks waiting on the starting gun to be fired.

A FORMULA FOR FAILURE

There must be no exceptions when it comes to MPs who have been elected on a ticket to bring about independence settling in for the long hall at Westminster.   I might not be able to give you the formula for immediate outright success in achieving independence but I can give you the formula for failure and giving the SNP another five years to settle in at Westminster is certainly it.   No more taking activists for fools.  The SNP commitment to independence has been diluted to such an extent that the reality is it has disappeared notwithstanding Alba MP Neale Hanvey’s outstanding Westminster performance which was on this occasion supported by SNP MPs to bring power back to the Scottish Parliament to enable Scotland to set the bricks in place to call a referendum.   Previously, with the exception of one SNP MP, they refused on mass to attend the debate to save the Grangemouth oil refinery when so many Scottish jobs were at risk.  Alba’s Kenny MacAskill led the debate.  That type of reaction by the Westminster SNP MPs is the reason thousands left the SNP in the first place.

Kenny MacAskill has shown a lifetime of outstanding commitment to Scottish independence and the lack of support from the SNP in Westminster to both MacAskill and Neale Hanvey’s efforts in that place has emphasized the SNPs lack of class and commitment to the independence cause.     

While I don’t know any Alba NEC members personally, I can only make a few comments on those who were SNP activists and/or elected MPs and MSPs and one or two others from speeches and television interviews plus hour upon hour of watching the Holyrood and Westminster Parliaments.  In other words, just like thousands of other people who have the same interest in politics as I do.    The Alba Party has some members I am impressed with through their involvement over the years in the independence movement and particularly in the effort that they are putting in today.   Others, I am aware, put in unstinting effort and work every bit as hard which invariably goes under the radar but is no less important.   With the Westminster elections in 2024 I understand that Alba intends to contest approximately 12 seats and two years later I expect many more will be to the fore in contesting the critical Holyrood elections.   While I am a member of both Alba and Salvo, I do not believe it is a case of one or the other.   I am no longer an activist in the true sense of the word, regarding canvasing or attending meetings but like most activists, I have views on the type of political candidate I would like to see confront those who sit on the unionist benches and any others who claim to be what they are not.

TASMINA AHMED – SHEIKH, ASH REGAN AND EVA COMRIE

One such person I would like to see as part of the Alba contingent in Holyrood is most certainly Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh.  I have never met the lady but I do remember her as an MP.  I was impressed then and I am more impressed now with the work she puts into the Alba Party and the independence movement.  She is an organiser par excellence and has been an active member of the independence movement.   Another, I want to see standing beside Tasmina is Ash Regan.   She deserved the reception she was accorded at the Alba Party conference.  She has political determination in abundance and showed it by standing by her principles when resigning her ministerial position in Government.  She has the political acumen required by showing that she is unafraid to confront those in the SNP who want to take baby steps towards independence.   The SNP have been taking baby steps for years now, we have to up our game or we will find that just like the SNP, the independence movement will slow down from a walk to a crawl.

Sometimes you can hear someone speak for the first time and it takes your breath away.  One such lady was Eva Comrie.   Her impassioned speech at a past Alba Party conference was just what was needed and I look forward to seeing her take her seat in 2026 and I can’t wait to hear more of the same in Holyrood.  I really could go on and on as there are so many others I have read about and have been impressed by their tenacity.    Others, have in the past, represented the constituency I live in, like Fergus Ewing MSP, who has been an outstanding ambassador for the Highlands.    His commitment to independence has been politically impeccable just like his siblings and mother and father before, all of them, put everything they had into the fight for independence, it is in their DNA.   If you have to rely on someone to have your back politically then Fergus Ewing is your man.  I have always spoken highly of Kate Forbes, another local MSP, and a very talented politician. 

Independence is the one thing that should unite all activists.   Giving devolutionists another five years in Westminster is not to my liking, it is now time to confront and cast that proposal aside and take the only road that will lead to Holyrood and independence.  We will not find that highway by asking anyone in Westminster which road to take.  

77 thoughts on “UNITE OR FAIL

  1. The sad reality is that the Independence ‘movement’ is divided as never before:

    Among political parties ( e.g. SNP v Alba Party v Scottish Greens v ISP v SSP)
    Within political parties (i.e. various cabals and cliques)
    Between political wings and civic arms (e.g. Alba Party/SNP v Salvo/Liberation)
    Among pro-Independence bloggers (e.g. Wings v SGP)

    We need something to coalesce around.

    A single explicit demand of #EndTheUnion might help.

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    1. I agree that a unifying slogan for all Yessers could be #endtheunion. It would also be nice to get a charismatic figure head. Someone who knew enough to answer all Unionists slanted questions, who could turn the tables on them and give the disparate Yes groups and was not a politician.

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      1. Yes, ‘turning the tables’ is key to dealing with the opposition.

        In general the House Jock ‘question’ boils down to:

        “How can you justify Independence?”

        The generic answer is:

        “Independence is the normal state of affairs. Now then – how can you justify an iniquitous Union that steals Scotland’s resources and colonises her people?”

        The reframing of the question puts the Union under the spotlight. They won’t like it because they won’t know how to handle it.

        That is why #EndTheUnion is so powerful.

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      2. My reply to tangotony YES Sara Salyers would be my choice also , she has PROVEN that she is no pushover and she would tie the unionists up in knots

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    2. TBQH Duncanio I blame the politicians and political parties for the division , they are the ones who have deliberately divided the YES movement , from sturgeon and her cabal of deviants and perverts to Alex Salmond insisting that the defeatist franchise will be adhered too even though it led to indigenous Scots being denied our freedom, also his deliberate ignoring of SALVO,SSRG and Liberation.Scot even though MANY ALBA members are also members of the other organisations , his vocal support and occasional mention of the COR and the people’s SOVEREIGNTY is hypocritical IMO, if he genuinely believed in the people’s sovereignty he would EMBRACE SALVO,SSRG and Liberation.Scot , organisations whose reason and commitment is for Scottish Independence

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      1. You make good points with which I agree TW.

        The politicians are essentially to blame for the splits … and you outline the reasons why. So what to do?

        Vote for the #EndofUnion party on your ballot paper.

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  2. ‘Unite or Fail’ Just 3 words, but 3 words that mean so much to our cause, for Scotland’s cause.

    So much within Bill’s post on which to make comment but I would only be agreeing with what he had to say, therefore I’ll only pick up on one point and that is when he states ‘I occasionally hear people make judgements on independence supporting MPs and MSPs based on whether their political leanings are running parallel to their own views be it to the left or right. As a nationalist I could never understand that logic, bearing in mind, that the priority is to support someone whose belief is in Scottish independence as we require to take votes from people of all persuasions.’

    Historically, the SNP fully recognised and understood that to achieve our goal we had to bring the people with us and that meant taking votes from all colonial parties. The debates at party Conferences and National Council were a privilege to hear with so many diverse points of view. The passion with which the speakers put forward their views was something I will always remember – but I also remember that members who had been in direct opposition in the Hall were having a drink together in the evenings – not much of that around today!

    However, those PoVs were all related to how best to achieve our freedom. Of course, back then thee was no thought of becoming a party that would run Westminster’s administration for them in Scotland.

    I do like Bill’s section ‘A FORMULA FOR FAILURE’, because there is nothing more certain than providing the SNP MPs with another 5 years to top up their pensions will only cause further delay and provide more ammunition to those who would deny our undoubted Right to Self-determination and independence.

    The ‘unity’ about which we hear so much must mean a unity of purpose because we are all supposedly reaching for the same outcome even if we have different ideas about how it can be achieved.

    Although I strongly disagree with Parliamentary Sovereignty, that is the system within which we have to work However, it is bad enough to have the people of Scotland ‘loan their sovereignty’ to their elected representatives without them passing it on to our oppressors at Westminster.

    As I have said before, Salvo/Liberation is not in competition with any political party and has members from all parties and none. Therefore, I cannot see a reason why any party that is truly seeking independence would not want to support and work with Salvo/Liberation. Of course, there are those who don’t think the international route will achieve what we so desperately need but that is not a reason for at least attempting that route.

    No better way to finish that to use Bill’s words – ‘Independence is the one thing that should unite all activists’.

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  3. Good post until near the end when Bill mentioned Kate Forbes,the woman who signed off the Freeport’s with Gove? Whose interests were at heart then?

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    1. I agree, I would not want Kate Forbes in HR.. She is not a fool, she knows what she was doing with the FREEPORTS she was finishing off Scotlands take over by the English Parliament…

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      1. I was discussing her a couple of weeks ago with my wife, Forbes seemed to disappear for a while whilst HY used the rope he had to hang himself, then up she pops, “I reckon she’s a spook” I said to my wife. The more I see snd after her performance on tuesday I’m convinced she’s the bigger asset than Nic.

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    2. Also don’t forget her cowardice in the face of the GRR and her failure to support her SEX , she is an avid supporter of the freeports irrespective of the damage they will do

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  4. Thanks Bill for your post. I agree with most of it. One with which I definitely don’t agree with is Freeports Kate. She was nowhere to be seen in 2014 and I suspect her allegiance is with westmidden and the yanks.

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      1. Not so called Green. It’s disgusting. She’s watching her back and so is westmidden.
        Her fairy pools are still there.
        Aye. FULL OF ENGLISH.
        Aye well. That’s the trajectory
        England 4.
        Scotland 0
        I’m a racist apparently.
        I’m WHITE.

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  5. KATE FORBES? ‘A very talented politician’? Forbes in her time as an MSP has done HEE HAW to prosecute the case for Scotland’s Independence. NONE of her pre electoral addresses to the residents within her parliamentary constituency have included any notional attempt to promote the cause of Scotland’s Independence.

    Forbes very much in line with Sturgeon whose position as First Minister she coveted (and still does) has a great fascination with ‘having her picture took’ in order that she can fill both sides of an election flyer with pictures promoting herself at the Fairy Pools on Skye or some other of the many and varied tourist spots within her constituency with nary a word of how the eco/environment is being trashed and perhaps permanently degraded.

    Her ‘talent’ precluded her from attending and making representation on behalf of her constituency at the 2023 SNP autumn conference in preference to her affiliation with the British-American Project which has NOT as its first purpose, *attending to matters of importance to the people of Scotland*. Forbes is rarely seen in the debating chamber at Holyrood since she took the *humph* wi’ Yousaf over ministerial position offered to her following his ‘appointment’ as First Minister. Forbes does however find time to deliver ‘lectures’ in England and abroad on subject matter which falls within HER priorities!

    Forbes is toxic, it is essential now more than ever that the Independence movement adopt a rigorous selection procedure in order that candidates in the image of Forbes and her ilk are culled (metaphorically) at stage one, To ignore this is to deny reality!!

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    1. Spot on. Robert. She’s a red white and blue. So is her husband. This not the SNP. it seems to me that those supposed defenders OF OUR RIGHTS are supping the english cow

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  6. Sending MPs to Westminster is pointless and people of all political persuasions are sick of career politicians and troughers. What better time to unite behind #EndTheUnion than at this election? Without a united Yes movement there can be no real progress towards independence. Without unity we will be no further forward in 2016 at the next Holyrood election and there will be even less hope of me living to see my country regain its independence.

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    1. Agree, All Independentistas should use their ballot for the same reason with the same message #EndTheUnion. Sending anyone to WM to supposedly fight Scotlands corner has never happened and never will happen. If we send that message this year, the there will be more chance of a Unification or at least agreement between all Indy Parties, we only 2 Indy candidates stands in each seat, One for Constituency and one for the LIST and NEITHER should advocate both votes for the same party.. If we use our heads we could do this..

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    2. Sending MPs to Westminster isn’t supposed to be pointless. England’s establishment has made it so, and Scotland’s MPs are complicit.

      Under the terms of the Treaty of Union, Scotland’s MPs are there to represent the entire sovereign Kingdom, country, nation, territory, and people of Scotland. As Scotland’s sole representatives in the Unions’ parliament they are there, not only to promote and defend the interests of Scotland as a full sovereign half of the Union, they are also there as Scotland’s physical delegation of governance authority over Scotland to the Union’s parliament; Note; to the parliament, NOT to England’s MPs!

      Westminster’s authority to govern Scotland at all comes from literally nowhere else. Scotland’s sovereignty is vested in its people, and it’s Scotland’s people who elect their MPs directly to represent them and wield their sovereignty on their behalf.

      England’s representatives are there for the exact same reasons, to promote and defend the interests of England as the other sovereign half of the Union, and as England’s physical delegation of governance authority over England, and given that context, it is obvious that neither body of MPs has any formal right to overrule the majority decisions of the other. The very fact they represent two different foreign sovereign countries completely rules that idea out by literal definition of ‘sovereignty’.

      The only caveats would be if the Treaty itself, as agreed by both parties, contained specific exceptions allowing one kingdom’s MPs to make certain decisions without requiring the approval of the other kingdom’s MPs. And there are such exemptions, relating specifically to religious matters, and particularly to the continuing authority of Scotland’s constitution as cited in Scotland’s 1689 Claim of Right, amongst others. It is interesting to note that no such exemption exists for the continuing authority of England’s constitution and yet, somehow, it is England’s constitution that has become the de facto constitution of the UK. How did that happen? And more to the point, did that happen in an authentic legal and constitutional manner?

      For all other matters, joint agreement by both bodies is mandatory because both sovereignties expect it by default, and both are entitled to demand it. So it is for Scotland’s MPs alone to decide if they will accept a majority decision of England’s MPs, and not for England’s MPs to impose over them.

      That Westminster’s internal voting system has never in 317 years been amended to take the existence of two sovereignties into account is an utter disgrace and that must be held against both bodies of MPs!

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      1. Xaracen I have urged people to read your comments explaining that the english part of the union has NO RIGHT to decide or force through legislation or regulations that the Scottish part of the union opposes
        It is not only common sense that if we are in a union of equals BOTH sides MUST agree to whatever is being proposed for that union business, if one part of the union opposes whatever is being proposed and the other supposed equal over rides or over rules that opposition that is not a partnership or democratic
        I have asked numerous times on numerous blogs for SALVO office bearers to either approach you for inclusion within the hierarchy or to at least offer secondment to you as your views and interpretation of what constitutes the TOU and acts of union are very relevant IMO ,
        Iain as an office bearer within SALVO does Xaracen’s exposures not merit further discussion and investigation

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      2. Yes I would urge him to join his local Salvo hub which will plug him in both locally and nationally to all committed and developments. Salvo is open to ideas from all its members.

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    3. End the Union is another USELESS SLOGAN same as YES.
      We need to be clear in our messaging.
      SET SCOTLAND FREE
      is much clearer and would do what it says on the tin.
      I think we need a revolution here!!
      maybe encourage people who want Freedom NOT TO VOTE in any General Election. As many on here say “No point sending people to the ENGLISH parliament.
      Anyone who believes we Scots will ever become FREE by voting is not paying attention.
      I think the Yes movement (Having been hijacked by McIntyre Kemp) needs to re brand as FREE SCOTLAND.
      We need to wake up and see what’s happening. The English colonisers will never allow a referendum or accept us voting for Freedom. They already have our Golden Eggs and will never let the Goose be FREE.

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      1. #EndTheUnion has been put forward by Peter A Bell as a meaningful way to unite in “repurposing” our votes instead of spoiling our papers in random ways. I would NEVER fail to vote after all that women went through in order to give me the right to do so. Not voting merely indicates apathy and no independence supporter should be apathetic about voting.

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      2. Put forward to whom?
        repurposing votes is just nonsende ss your vote counts for nothing and NO political party will ever gain Freedom through the ballot box!
        We need to have slogans (if you want them) which convey our message precisely.
        eg De-colonise Scotland Or Set Scotland Free.
        Nothing wishy washy or imprecise

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      3. I read about it on his blog. If you want to know more you will have to contact him, jistjr. I support abstentionism and don’t think that any of the independence parties should send MPs to Westminster. So far the ISP is the only party committed to that but they are unlikely to put forward a candidate in my constituency. There is no way that I will ever stay at home on polling days. I will ALWAYS use my right to vote, but that does not mean that I have to vote for any of the candidates. Staying at home is futile. Unity is required and quibbling over words is unnecessary to say the least.

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      4. Quibbling is not what I am doing. Getting meaningful slogans is.
        What are you saying you will always use your vote BUT you dont have to vote for any of the candidates. Are you going to draw a cartoon on your ballot paper. A total waste of effort.

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      5. Quibbling is exactly what you are doing, jistjr. Your preferred phrases are not clear. In fact they suggest that someone else is responsible for taking action in order to ‘set Scotland free’ or to ‘de-colonise Scotland’ whereas ending the union is something that will only be done by Scotland. However in order to have unity I would accept any phrase selected as the one to use in the next election.
        Every biological woman should use her vote. Women went to prison, endured force-feeding, and some of them died in order for women to have the right to vote. Staying at home is casting a vote for the Apathy party.

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      6. Utter nonsense. And Dont trll me what I am doing. I dont care what you think ot fo with your ballot. Drsw a penis snd testicles gor all I care. I also don’t need any lessons from you about womens sufferage. Any English Election is an act of complicity to our colonial status if you vote for any candidate who will warm their bum on the Green Benches. Also you jave Robertson wantin seats on the Red ones.
        What a bunch of self serving con artists

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  7. I remember when Gerry Adams on TV was blocked. His voice and what he was saying was blocked. Aye well Scotland. It’s going to be a sair fight.

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  8. In my opinion sending MPs to the foreign parliament at Westminster makes very little difference to the indy cause, we sent 56 MPs not that long ago did it make one iota of a difference, no it didn’t.

    Many of those MPs settled in nicely and made a good living from being there, they got used to their surrounding and succumbed to the Westminster lifestyle, and independence went oot the windae as they say.

    By sending MPs to Westminster we are just reinforcing Westminster’s dominion over Scotland, we give this foreign parliament credibility, even moreso when some of those MPs end up Right Honourables, or they sit on committees etc, the Westminster setup knows how to integrate our MPs to make it seem as though they doing something meaningful for Scotland, when whatever they propose can be shotdown because they are utterly outnumbered.

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  9. ‘We have some outstanding candidates waiting in the wings who would wear that Scottish white rose with pride. I occasionally hear people make judgements on independence supporting MPs and MSPs based on whether their political leanings are running parallel to their own views be it to the left or right. As a nationalist I could never understand that logic, bearing in mind, that the priority is to support someone whose belief is in Scottish independence as we require to take votes from people of all persuasions. . ‘

    Agreed.

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  10. In 2012/14 we has YES. We all worked Together , we shared data, we had one objective…..Independence. The common understanding was that post Independence all issues would be resolved by the People of Scotland.

    Today we have camps in conflict….
    Pro Trans v pro Women
    Pro Palestine v pro Israel
    Pro EU v pro EFTA v None of them.
    It goes on and on.

    On every issue, I can think of, I will accept the vote of the majority of my fellow Scots.

    I once blocked Unionists. I am now blocking Indy supporters telling me what I have to accept to be a true Indy supporter.

    Can we please get back to focusing on Indy and having the power to implement what we agree on.

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  11. Utterly outnumbered. Yes we are. The thing that gets me now is WGD v Wings. Aye that.
    PayPal Paul is a disgrace. I remember going to give him money for his new house in Ayrshire. At the last minute I thought, hing on, I’ve struggled so much more in my lifetime. Naw. A bit stinky.

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    1. Too right about WGD.

      Every sympathy about being struck by a debilitating medical condition. But the guys a gudger.

      And I remember the begging bowl line about him only want donations to fund the purchase of ” a wee cottage” to suit his needs.

      A plaintive cry for charity but it didn’t stop him getting the dug put down as opposed to getting him rehomed.

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  12. “As has been said on many occasions we belong to a broad church of opinions. Narrow political opinions can cloud judgement. I can never remember asking myself, never mind anyone else, whether I was going to give my support to a prospective candidate because of their political leanings rather than the person’s commitment to independence.”

    Then you haven’t learned the lessons from what’s happened to the Labour party and the SNP. That’s exactly why they are in the mess they are in and why Kate Forbes nearly became leader of the SNP. Just look what the Kier Starmer Labour party did to the Corbyn faction.

    It is very dangerous and why all under one banner in my opinion is dangerous.

    There’s nothing stopping a liberal faction and right wing faction from setting up their own independence parties. Voters must know what they are voting for and what an independent Scotland is going to look like. Is it going to look like the Skye bridge with a toll on it. With everything not nailed down being privatised so that the hedge funds and venture capitalists and banks can rent seek. Or is it going to look like the Skye bridge without the toll on it and funded by the government who has first dibs on real resources.

    You haven’t learned the lessons why the SNP have introduced economic policies that very few Scottish voters agree with. So many wouldn’t have walked away from the SNP if they had done their due diligence and knew what they were getting into and challenged that broad church what they actually stood for and if they were left, liberal or right wing.

    If the broad church is all based on independence then you ultimately end up in the state the SNP is in the end. A broad church can convince members EFTA is independence when it is very clearly nothing of the sort. It is a fudge to appease the broad church and a HUGE mistake.

    I’ve wanted independence all my adult life but will NEVER vote for Alba because of it. Just because it is an independence party, shouldn’t mean voters have to vote for it and sacrifice their principles and what they believe in at the same time.

    If independence is a broad church then different independence parties must be created so that voters can find their true home. Then any differences they have can be sorted out in the parliament as they vote on policies. Not end up like the SNP with carte Blanche to do anything they like.

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    1. We must allow only parties funded and based in Scotland once we are independent, also, anyone elected to an independent Parliament of scotland must swear an oath to work for the benefit of our people, otherwise they cannot be MSPs (or whatever we chose to call them). If those whoted for them, decide that representative is not fulkfilling that task, they can call for him/her to be removed and another may be elected.
      We will need to set up our own media, both paper and broadcast to give everuyone a true picture of what is happening. I dont know if we can block the BBC, but they may decide not to broadcast in Scotland if no-one pays theit licence fee. We could put an added charge on newspapers not based in Scotland but online could be a problem.

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    2. These are very valid points which will need to be sorted AFTER we obtain FREEDOM.
      Why do you say being part of the European Free Trade Association is no use?

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  13. The Scottish growth Comission is the thorn in the side of the Unite or fail argument. A hundred other policies.

    The broad Church of the SNP steam rolled over EVERYBODY and even completely ignored conference who didn’t like it. That’s what happens when you unite or fail.

    If a left wing independence party, a liberal independence party and right wing independence party were created that would simply never happen. As they would be held to account by their voters and voters would simply leave and not vote for them. Nigel Farage understood this when the Tory party was called a broad church of Conservative views.

    I want to be able to look at the Scottish growth Commission on my own terms and EFTA on my own terms and then decide if it is good for Scotland. Not be dragged along in a party just because it supports independence.

    If voters were given a real choice. I would be in an independence party that wouldn’t even have introduced the idea of the growth commission in the first place. Or call EFTA independence. That would be a left leaning independence party. I want that choice as a voter so I know what an independent Scotland would look like when I vote for it.

    It doesn’t split the vote. Because if you actually believe voting will change anything then it will be decided in a referendum. Where political views don’t matter anyway.

    Why the SNP is in the mess their in. Every election was treated like an independence referendum were political views didn’t matter. Which nearly allowed Kate Forbes, a fiscal conservative run Scotland.

    Sometimes staying in the Union is my preferred choice. When I look at what is on offer and staying in the Union was 100% the best option when put up against the Scottish growth Commission who wanted to hand us over to Brussels.

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      1. Yes…We could indeed. I really like how they do some things.

        You’ll notice whenever the EU spreads its wings it always turns parliaments into proportional representation. To control them so that hardly anything gets done. As very rarely you get a majority. Why England imposed one on us.

        First passed the post is how you implement your manifesto. How it should be done

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  14. If a left wing independence party, a liberal independence party and conservative independence party has been in place before the referendum. Project fear would never have worked. Why the independence movement should create these as soon as possible.

    Project fear would have been neutered. As the left, liberals and Conservatives would have already have had their visions of what independence looks like in place. Severely weakend project fear framing and narratives.

    The faction running the British Labour party are Lib Dems that is their political home. The reason they managed to hijack and infiltrate the Labour party is because it was easy to do so, as it was mistakenly labelled a broad church. The Labour party was never a broad church it once knew exactly what it stood for. The Green party and SNP have been infiltrated and hijacked by the liberals in the exact same way.

    Alba should come out and say if it is a left wing independence party, a liberal independence party or conservative independence party and have a very strict vetting policy in place to become a member. Or it will end up like all of the rest of them.

    Farage understood this when he set up UKIP and now the reform party. Liberal conservatives are not welcome period. Only true right and far right need apply.

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    1. “If a left wing independence party, a liberal independence party and conservative independence party has been in place before the referendum. Project fear would never have worked. Why the independence movement should create these as soon as possible.”

      If we are to be guided by postcolonial theory then we might better understand that independence is never a matter of left or right, nor of socialism versus capitalism. These or other political ideologies are best left for ‘a people’ to decide upon after they have secured independence.

      For now, the most urgent matter is that of freeing the people, and to put an end to colonialism. This task does not require a political ideology; what it requires is the people to understand their (colonial) ‘condition’ and the reason and urgency for independence and national liberation (i.e. decolonization). Independence may not even require a political party, far less a political ideology.

      So best to forget about political ideologies, for now. That is not what independence is about.

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  15. Alba MUST come out and denounce any notion that Westminster can decide on Scotland’s future. The two MPs currently sitting in the HoC MUST withdraw, return home and campaign on that basis.

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    1. Alf is as usual correct because I have known like forever that political ideologies will be our downfall. The colour and more importantly the design of the type of governance we choose is something to be left until after we leave this toxic union that never was. Yes, the nation needs governance until we can free ourselves but the prime focus MUST be on securing our rights and our liberty. Everything else is secondary or tertiary, or whatever.

      Westminster loves that they have an administration committee willing to run Scotland for them that concentrates on social issues rather than where they are weakest – the constitution. Every time that their administration in Scotland gets itself tangled up in social issues, gender, ferries, glass bottles etc. etc. it’s a wonder we cannot hear them laughing at us in bars and restaurants of the HoC.

      As the SNP is now simply the Westminster parliament’s administrative body in Scotland, it is acting as a sub-committee asking the Board what it can and cannot do. It’s all spelled out in the Scotland Act Section 28/7 and Section 35 is an effective veto to be used whenever the Board does not like what its naughty child has done or is trying to do.

      Can we perhaps start a ‘Bring Them Home Party’?

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      1. We should
        have a don’t send them there movement.
        Do not ever vote in the English election. It is a waste of time.
        Same as the ridiculous Yes and End the Union nonsence in my opinion. Yes to WHAT?
        End what UNION?
        tgwu. unite? etc. The colonisers and big business would love that!!!
        Clarity of language is Important.

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  16. That Claim of Right

    Each Scorrish person is to have an equal right to the most extensive basic liberty and highest quality of life compatible with the cravenness, minginess and other moral and intellectual defects of P. Harvie, L. Slater, S. Robison, H. Yousaf et al (or their like – there’s mony mair whaur they came fae), subject to the coercive apparatus of the colonial state, now, and forever – so hud yer wheesht

    ***

    “I’ll ha’e nae hauf-way hoose, but aye be whaur Extremes meet..” wrote the great man, but oor political class is allergic to extremes of any kind. The Scorrish Parlyment, the hert o’ oor anorexic political culture, is oor hauf-way hoose made concrete for all to contemplate. The scandal of it is not all its scandals, mistakes and non-events, nor the fact that the rabble within is not a government, but really an undisguised exercise in extreme derision of oor culture and attitudes and folk. That’s only to be expected. It’s the fact that we tholed it in the first place. A wee bit o’ self-determination. Un peu. Hauf-way to nowhere. Hauf-way to Hell

    That now-famous epigram carved into the Canongate Wall – Work as if you live in the early days of a better nation – is a bitter joke, with any efforts being expended in that direction barely visible to the naked eye. Instead, it’s crisis after crisis here in Bony Scrotland

    Crises proliferate like cases of a novel virus in a care home, but, because colonisation both corrodes a coherent conception of ourselves, and makes alternatives to itself invisible and thus irrelevant, each case is viewed in total isolation as one of life’s enigmas

    We enjoy the lowest life expectancy at birth in the Untied Kingdom while Male life expectancy in the colony’s most deprived areas is 13.7 years lower than in the least deprived areas… and that’s not even scratching the scab. Perennial Winner of the Euroland Drugs & Alcohol Deaths Competition; ‘Population Emergency’ in the Highlands, Homelessness Emergency everywhere else; atrophy of local services; in place of the mythical ‘trickling down’ the mythical ‘levelling up’… folk wander about dazed and confused, as if nothing can be explained… it is moral and mental discombobulation and it is pathetic

    The abjection of our political and cultural life in the wake of the preposterous fraud Sturgeon is insidious and endemic. “The oppressed will always believe the worst about themselves” says Fanon, but where is encouragement to unite and INSIST upon that better nation? Is it at all likely it will come from a Party led by the man who roused the nation to stick with the Pound Sterling and Elizabeth II, a queen, whilst cooriein up to the European Union? Anither kind o’ hauf-way hoose, slave to baith maisters – some would call it an upgrade – narrowly avoided by Scrotland’s cowardice at the decisive moment

    Here is the great man again, speaking Of Life and Death:
    No great barbaric country shall undermine and ruin me,
    Slowly corroding my simple unimaginative qualities,
    Rob me of my conventions, my simple direct standards,
    Who have no undefeatable inner integrity to take their place.

    Juist so

    If CMG could see how faur we are doon that road, he’d greet like a bairn. With aw the undermining and ruining that’s gaun on – from without and within – it’s hard to keep score. We could really do with an app

    Here among the Last of the Colonies we need something to live up to, and if you believe Alba can provide that as currently constituted, with a hauf-herted programme for action, and still mair disposed to grovelling than remaining upright, good luck. Other worthy initiatives suffer from that ingrained fear of ‘extremes’. Like the freedom to staund or faw by oor ain efforts.
    Meantime oor self-imposed internal exile fae that better nation continues

    Ivor Cutler wrote

    I was stuck on the side of a mountain in Scotland. I was looking down on emptiness. I lay on my back and looked around in panic. I prayed to God and relaxed. I realised if I turned carefully on my front I could see bits of grass to hold on to.

    Aye

    Don’t look now. We’re running out of bits of grass

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  17. “If we are to be guided by postcolonial theory then we might better understand that independence is never a matter of left or right, nor of socialism versus capitalism. These or other political ideologies are best left for ‘a people’ to decide upon after they have secured independence.”

    I have to disagree Alf.

    Leaving people to decide what it looks like after winning independence could be too late. For many different reasons. Like deciding how to control the horse after it has bolted.

    https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=28716

    Not only that. How can people decide what it should like if they believe the tax payer money myth, the deficit myth and debt myth and think trade is to produce revenue to fund the government. Over 60% of the population think Brussels telling us what to do Is independence. We already know what it will look like and that is neoliberalism.

    We have completely wasted decades allowing these myths and ideology to ferment in Scottish society and seep into our universities and the Scottish consciousness. Until Scottish voters fully understand how they have been conned instead of just saying it is London’s fault. We will just repeat the same mistakes. We should have been educating voters about the pitfalls instead of depending on a Salmond and Darling type debate. With the as per usual repeated sound bites, myths, lies and the rest of it.

    We wasted decades by not pointing out the the different paths that could be taken. Completely ignoring the political differences and choosing not to educate Scottish voters about these myths. We reinforced them instead.

    Under proportional representation how do you propose to get out of the EU for example. In which case they’ll be no deciding on anything after securing independence. The EU treaties will decide our future.

    It is very dangerous Alf.

    40 years we have had to get ready and educate voters and say if independence is going to be left wing, right wing or liberal. But instead we are going to fudge it through 6 months after the vote.

    Not for me Alf, no way. I want to know what I am voting for before I vote and if we are going to be trapped by proportional representation or not. Or if we are choosing neoliberalism or not. As afterwards we might already be trapped. Spend the next 200 years trying to escape after winning our independence. Make all of the mistakes Ireland has made who followed what you suggest and are now trapped.

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    1. Oh Maister, set us free!! – but no just yet

      Let us get aw oor ducks in a row first (if ye dinna mind)

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    2. You know what you are voting for NOTHING.
      Why? Because we will never vote ourselves FREE. Time to wake up to reality.
      We Scots are an English colony and until we get de-colonisef NOTHING will change.

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  18. So instead of spending the last 50 years explaining what independence would look like and if it was going to be left wing, right wing or liberal. Be ready from day one. Educating voters on left wing, right wing and liberal views. How money and trade actually works. So they have all the truths at their fingertips before they choose.

    What we are actually going to do instead after we win independence is we are going to have a 6 month debate and end up with a Salmond v’s Darling presentation on EU membership. With project fear on steroids. Every media outlet against us and behind Brussels.

    To be decided by voters who have been indoctrinated in GROUPTHINK who believe the tax payer money myth, deficit myth and debt myth and exports are for tax revenue. Who instead of being educated for the last 5O years, were asked to unite or fail all under one banner. Expect them to make an informed, educated choice.

    Nope, not for me it is way too dangerous. With proportional representation we would be trapped and never get out. Especially when over 60% of the population indoctrinated in GROUPTHINK think it is a good idea.

    If that is the choice, I’ll choose the Union any day of the week. We have had 50 years to put a case together and educate the nation. To deliberately decide to do it within 6 months is bonkers to me. It will be 6 months as our political leaders (some think their neoliberal political views don’t matter) will ensure the trap is in place as quickly as possible.

    Even if you believe EFTA is independence or not you won’t make a dent in that GROUPTHINK. Forever, trapped in proportional representation and the EU treaties. It will take at least 4 generations to maybe vote the way out of it after living under the mistakes we made. Getting a First passed the post introduced so it can never happen to us again.

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  19. “Leaving people to decide what it looks like after winning independence could be too late”

    That seems a valid point, also reading Clara Ponsati’s essay today re Catalonia, though I am not sure this ‘task’ fits into categories of left, right or liberal. The main task upon independence will be ensuring the nation’s key institutions are led by Scots in the interest of Scots. Currency is important as you and others highlight and there are questions as to how rapid that process needs to be. Initial self-governance will likely be a transitory phase; political ideologies and direction will come after the first elections in an independent Scotland.

    All we really know is that if the colonized ceases to be colonized he will become something else. “There will be the ups and downs but he will be whole and free” (Memmi). This remains the most urgent priority.

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    1. Exactly,

      And I am so relieved you can see it. Instead of just thinking it is me moaning when the reality is MMT’rs have actually thought about it for 3 decades. The implications of it.

      Let’s say within 6 months in a proportional representation parliament and an electorate who have had the facts hidden from them push us into the EU convergence criteria. The Growth Comission.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_convergence_criteria

      The EU fiscal compact

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Fiscal_Compact

      Then there is absolutely nothing to sort out after independence. Our economic course has been set because we ignored political views and decided left, right and liberal were irrelevant as we chased independence. We choose unite or fail in instead of declaring what independence would look like and if it would be left, right or liberal.

      So what happens if we don’t like it ?

      Well now you have to convince a proportional representation Scottish parliament filled with the SNP, Greebs, Lib Dems, Labour and over 60% of the electorate that the EU is a bad idea. They’ll have to live under the fiscal compact and austerity and debt rules and all the privatisations and debt seeking before they see the light and that could take decades.

      There is a reason the EU hate first passed the post and set up proportional representation parliaments everywhere they go. Us Scots used to understand this when England imposed that type of parliament in us. We got lazy when the SNP pushed for majorities as if they were common in this type of parliament. When the truth is they are an outlier and an exception.

      So How does an independent Scotland get a First passed the post parliament ?

      So that the winners of elections can implement their manifestos. You have to win it in a proportional representation Scottish parliament and again that could take decades. Then even if you do then the EU convergence criteria and the EU fiscal compact will stop you in your tracks.

      We are trapped and we sleep walked right into the trap because we choose unite or fail.

      We need a independence party that has a plan from day 1. It has to be political, it has to declare if it is left, right or liberal. Already have a very detailed plan and manifesto that voters know what they are voting for. That declares NO European membership and immediately upon independence declares a First passed the post parliament. What domestic economic policies and industrial policy and trade policy and foreign policy it is going to implement from day 1.

      Working out these very important details after independence and choosing all under one banner instead. Shows a complete failure to understand what we are up against if we win. Saying who we are politically and having policies ready to implement to reflect that choice on day 1 is a must. It is imperative we do so, to stop the independence movement from being infiltrated and stopped even before we have begun.

      Case in point – Farage won the Brexit referendum. Everything bar the kitchen sink has been thrown at it to stop it from being implemented. The neoliberals and globalists will continue to do everything they can to reverse it and drag us back under Brussels control. That power will be thrown at us 24/7 to make sure that even if we win independence and that our victory will be neutralised. As we foolishly decided to ignore politics and picked all under one banner instead. The reform party understand this fully and has been created to win the Brexit referendum again and are leaving the Tory party in droves.

      They understand how difficult it is in a First passed the post system. Imagine how difficult it would be to take on neoliberalism in a Scottish proportional representation parliament with EVERYONE against you. You need a majority to break free.

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    2. One cannot spend all of Sunday lying in bed singing along to The Proclaimers (u-huh u-huh u-huh u-huh), and recently I started re-reading Beresford Ellis & Mac a’ Ghobhainn’s ‘The Scottish Insurrection of 1820’, a book, and an episode in our history, which – for the handful who are even aware of this improbable occurrence – fall into the category of long buried things. Together they form, as Hamish Henderson has it, a Scottish historical black hole.

      One day long ago my history teacher, an authority on many of the personages involved in the uprising, and distantly related to one of the authors, pushed the book into my hands. “Read this”, she commanded. She didn’t add “and weep” – but she could have.

      By the end of dinner break I had read the first chapter of the book and the short but punchy foreword by Hugh MacDiarmid and it left, as they say, a dull impression on my mind… like being hit on the back of the head with a shovel.

      There are many passages in the book where the brutishness and absolute violence of the established order is revealed, but, for me, the most memorable episode was the attempt by the Government agent John Craig to lead a group of 30 clueless Radicals towards an ambush prepared by Government troops, acting “on information received”.

      Following a farcical incident in Sauchiehall Street, when police got in on the act, the agent provocateur Craig was the only ‘Radical’ arrested. He was put before the local Justice of the Peace and in an attempt to preserve his cover, the Justice fined Craig five shillings “but as Craig did not have the money on him the justice himself paid the fine”… I remember laughing until the tears ran down my leg.

      I was 14 at the time, and it was just after finishing the book that I started to realise what a colonised people looks like.

      To paraphrase Fanon (yes, him again), ‘the colonial subject enslaved by his inferiority, the colonial master enslaved by his superiority alike behave in accordance with a neurotic orientation’. In such a soul-destroying unity, the only thing that matters is breaking the deadlock. As Alf says, independence changes everything, precisely because it shatters that neurotic link, “And structures r(i)se Into a future that is now where these Long buried things are present histories”.

      When people speak of unity, if it is not in pursuit of freedom and justice before all else, if is bogged down in interminable, and self-defeating arguments about the ‘right kind of independence’, when the right kind of independence is the freedom to make our own mistakes on the road to a better nation, it is another sign of our national neuroticism.

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      1. I am aware of Baird, Hardie and Wilson and the events of 1820 thanks to my friendship with The late Jim Mitchell, who organised each year a commemoration at the statue to them in Paisley. He could always be spotted at marches carrying the 1820 Society Banner “Scotland Free or a Desert”

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      2. Those able to read Gaelic will be interested in Tòmas MacAilpein’s fine radical and working-class history blog. Here is the first paragraph of his article on the 1820 insurrection (‘ARAMACH 1820: An Dà-cheudamh Ceann-bliadhna’) —

        “Mura b’ e an coròna-bhìoras, bhithinn fhìn coltach ri iomadh duine eile airson dol gu tachartasan a’ comharrachadh Aramach 1820, agus tadhal air cuid de na h-àitichean faisg orm co-cheangailte ris. Faodaidh sinn, ge-tà, leughadh mu na thachair dà cheud bliadhna air ais. A bharrachd air an eachdraidh ainmeil aig Peter Berresford Ellis agus Seumas Mac a’ Ghobhainn, ‘The Scottish Insurrection of 1820’ (1970), thàinig dà leabhar ùr a-mach bho chionn ghoirid: ‘One Week in April: The Scottish Radical Rising’ of 1820 (2020), le Maggie Craig; agus ‘The Fight for Scottish Democracy: Rebellion and Reform in 1820’ (2020), le Murray Armstrong.

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      3. Beginning of a short article by Aindrias Ó Cathasaigh (2016) —

        Exploring hidden history through the Irish language

        The Easter rising whose centenary we are commemorating is sometimes called a poets’ rebellion, and not unfairly. Quite a number of its leaders had turned their hands to poetry, with varying degrees of success. I’m not a poet, I’m a historian: in fact, I think my great contribution to poetry is the fact that I haven’t written any. But ten years ago, I did translate a selection of poems by Bertolt Brecht. One of them opens like this:

        Cé a thóg Téibeas na seacht ngeata?
        Sna leabhair tá ainmneacha ríthe.
        An iad na ríthe a tharraing na clocha leo?

        Translated into English rather than Irish, that would be something like:

        Who built Thebes of the seven gates?
        In the books are found the names of kings.
        Did the kings drag the rocks along?

        This is one of the things that has driven me as a historian, the fact that history records the kings and presidents and leaders, the great men (occasionally women) — while the people who actually drag the rocks along, who do the work, get forgotten. There’s always a job to be done to unearth the story of these people, how they lived, what they thought, their efforts to change that destiny instead of just accepting it.

        This requires a willingness and an ability to look beyond the usual places. The official records of parliaments and congresses, the reports of respectable newspapers, often have little to tell us of these stories. To discover the history of the poor, the workers, women, oppressed nationalities and ethnic groups, those subjected to injustice on any number of grounds, we need to be prepared to go off the beaten track. The traces they leave tend to be less well preserved, less accessible, less noticed — which is all the more reason for historians to go out of their way to find them.

        A part of this, and a part my work has focused on to a large extent, is exploring historical sources in Irish. From the seventeenth century onwards at least, Irish appears as the language of history’s losing side: excluded from the corridors of power, but clinging on in the minds and mouths of the downtrodden. If you want to understand their position and their attitudes, they were expressed in Irish for the most part, and you have to look at what survives of those expressions. […]

        https://antullmor.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/ocathasaigh2016b.pdf

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      4. In the above pdf article Aindrias Ó Cathasaigh mentions Pádraic Pearse as being one of the central figures of the 2016 Rising. Ó Cathasaigh wrote the commemorative series screened by RTÉ. He appears (along with Tim Pat Coogan etc) as one of the intermittent commentators, as for example in part 7 of the series, which largely focuses on Pearse:

        1916 Seachtar na Cásca, Ep 7 – PH Pearse

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      5. A section of the above film (from 25:43) deals with a speech in English by Pádraig Mac Piarais at the graveside of Diarmaid Ó Donnabháin Rosa (1831-1915). 

        In his excellent historical novel CÒIG DUILLEAGAN NA SEAMRAIG (pp 127,128), Ruairidh MacIlleathain renders an extract from the speech into Scottish Gaelic:

        « Tha sinn nar seasamh ri taobh uaigh Rossa, chan ann fo bhròn ach fo àrdachadh aigne. Seo àite na sìthe, naomh do na mairbh, far am bu chòir do dhaoine bruidhinn le carthannas agus faiceall. Ach dhòmhsa, ‘s e rud Crìosdail a th’ ann, mar a bha dha O’Donovan Rossa, a bhith a’ cur olc is ain-fhìrinn is làmhachas-làidir an suarachas, agus le bhith a’ gabhail gràin orra gum faighear làmh-an-uachdair orra. Tha luchd-dìon na rìoghachd seo air obrachach gu math ann an dìomhaireachd agus ann an solas an latha. Tha iad dhen bheachd gun do cheannsaich iad Èirinn. Tha iad dhen bheachd gun do cheannaich iad an dàrna cuid dhinn agus gun do chuir iad eagal air an leth eile. Tha iad dhen bheachd gum fac’ iad a h-uile nì a thig agus gu bheil iad deiseil airson a h-uile nì a thig. Ach na h-amadain, na h-amadain, na h-amadain — dh’fhàg iad an Fhèinn mharbh againn agus, fhad’s a bhios na h-uaighean seo aig Èirinn, cha bhi Èirinn neo-shaor ann an sÌth a-chaoidh! »

        CÒIG DUILLEAGAN NA SEAMRAIG by Roddy Maclean/ Ruairidh MacIlleathain, Foillsichte le CLÀR, Inbhir Nis, 2019.

        https://www.gaelicbooks.org/explore-the-shop/fiction/crime/coig-duilleagan-na-seamraig

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  20. Many of the comments above are just a list of reasons why independence is not for them unless a specific set of criteria are met. There are those who don’t want independence unless it’s guaranteed to be left wing, unless it’s guaranteed to be right wing, unless it’s guaranteed to be liberal, unless it’s guaranteed to be a republic, unless it’s guaranteed to be a monarchy, and all the rest of the excuses why they want independence but only on their terms. The more conflicting requirements that can be invented. the less chance we’ll get independence, because who’s going to vote for a bunch of so-called independence supporters who are threatening to vote against the whole idea because their set of preconceptions are not guaranteed.

    Independence is for independence’s sake and if you have no faith in Scots to run their own country in the way that benefits Scots, maybe you should move to England.

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    1. Well said!! All this what will it look like is just English and Unionist propaganda and an attempt to cause differences in the Freedom Ranks.
      No-one has a Chrystal ball to see the future. All we know for certain is that the past is a good guide to future actions.
      I for one do not wish to see Scotland conned ( the spaniel 111) purporting to be King of Scots) and the theft of our resources and our citizens having to leave to seek a better life.
      The status quo will not do!!!

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      1. Portugal tried and failed and know what being trapped looks like. So do the rest of them.

        “Portugal has been held out by the Europhile Left as a demonstration of how progressive policies can manifest in the European Union, even with the Fiscal Compact and the Stability and Growth Pact (SGP). In 2015, after the new Socialist government took over with supply guarantees from the Left Bloc (Bloco de Esquerda) and the Portuguese Communist Party (PCP) and The Greens (Partido Ecologista “Os Verdes”), it set about challenging the austerity mindset that has blanketed the European continent in stagnation. Things improved in 2016 with increased government spending. But by 2017, the European Commission had reasserted its austerity mindset and the supposed flexibility that the Left were hoping and which Portugal had briefly embraced in 2016 was gone. And we learned that the neoliberal bias of the Eurozone and its fiscal rules dominates any progressive ambitions that a nation state might entertain. Another blow for the Europhile Left. The lesson: start looking at and supporting exit if you are truly serious about restoring a progressive policy agenda in Europe. ”

        Or in our case don’t get trapped in the first place.

        https://billmitchell.org/blog/?s=Portugal

        Mr Tye is going to write – ” A fully sovereign independent Scotland as a self financing state ” Scots running Scotland for Scots.

        No point if we are trapped.

        We want to do ‘ X ‘ – Sorry your deficit has gone above 3% of GDP.

        We want to introduce a skills based immigration policy to improve productivity – Sorry free movement of people.

        We want to help Pensioners and help people to save for a pension – Sorry debt can’t go above 60% of GDP.

        We want to introduce some controls – Sorry you can’t free movement of capital.

        The problem is many people think you can change the EU from within and you can’t. Those saying they can can’t even change their own countries from within. Have tried for 50 years. All under one banner addresses none of that and shows we won’t be ready from day 1. Over 60% of the nation love the idea of being trapped. As the facts have been hidden from them.

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      2. The Answer lies in having out own currency. Our country has a budget loke your household budget. Currency issuing countries can buy and pay for whatever they wish provided they have the REAL resources and can NEVER GO BUST or have to adhere to this Debt to GDP myth. If you have not alteady done so vheck out Prof S KELTON the defecit Myth. politicians are either lying or are too ignorant to know that Govt spends in order to Tax and Tax is not required by the UK to PAY FOR ANYTHING.
        Other than Scotland because we do not have our own SCOTS POUND issued by our own CENTRAL bank. The truth is the Gov deficit is OUR ASSET.

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  21. *Many of the comments above are just a list of reasons why independence is not for them unless a specific set of criteria are met. ”

    Complete nonsense and lazy thinking.

    It is an understanding of neoliberalism and the traps that lay ahead. Like I say those that haven’t studied it will have to live under it for a few decades before they get it. Go and ask the farmers protesting across Europe, go and ask the yellow jackets in France,, ask the waiters in Spain as the run after you 24/7. Ask the rural areas who are now voting for the far right.

    “if you have no faith in Scots to run their own country in the way that benefits Scots, maybe you should move to England.”

    How can they if they have been trapped by the EU convergence critiera and fiscal compact. Did you even read any of it ?

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  22. Who built Thebes of the seven gates?
    In the books are found the names of kings.
    Did the kings drag the rocks along

    Your translation of the opening to Brecht’s poem, Fearghas, brings to mind Robert Garioch Sutherland’s ‘Sisyphus’. That poem is also concerned with “the people who actually drag the rocks along, who do the work, get forgotten”, but there is a disturbing uncertainty or ambiguity about what’s really happening, typical of Garioch. Scottish Sisyphus is compelled to “drag the rocks along” but, the poet insinuates, compulsion is not the whole story.

    Whit was he thinkin about, that he jist gied the boulder a wee shove?

    Bumpity doun in the corrie gaed whuddran the pitiless whun stane,

    Sisyphus dodderan eftir it, shair of his cheque at the month’s end.

    Class or anti-colonial or any other struggles against the structures of domination, exploitation and control are complicated by collaboration, comfort seeking, cowardice, guilt, and by the unparallelled success of what Memmi calls “the mythical portrait of the colonised (or oppressed)”, which in our case is captured to a very slight degree in the meme, ‘too wee, too poor, too stupid’.

    MacDiarmid took the view early on that “the function of art is the extension of human consciousness” and set out to reconceptualise the Scottish reality – and in reconceptualising it, help to change it. There was no doubt in his mind that poetry can make things possible, including purging ourselves, individually and collectively, of three hundred years worth of debilitating drivel.

    A wheen of other Scottish poets (more than a few, like Garioch, drinking buddies of the great man) could also assist us in the rediscovery our true worth – if only it were a normal thing to read, write, recite or discuss poetry in Scotland, which, outside a Burns Supper, it is not. When Iain raised the matter of the future of Yours for Scotland he spoke of ‘a decade of despair’ with no end in sight, I thought, well, a bit more discussion of poetry, and Scottish poetry in particular, could no harm, and it might do some good. 

    Robert Crawford wrote, “Scots often undervalue literary or cultural history, occasionally treating it with rancour, and more often with the kind of casual abandon that simply lets it get lost”. And that’s absolutely true. But it doesn’t have to stay true.

    Slainté, Fearghas

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